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    For a BACS/Bank Transfer you do not need to give anyone any information that isn't already provided, for example, account number, sort code, name and address <as this is required to dispatch an order anyway, but for a BACS/Bank Transfer, as a seller, you do not need to know anything else like mothers maiden name and all that security stuff that the bank asks its customer. You just need account number and sort code, valid from date in some cases or just expiry date. Me as a seller, I can't do anything with that information except bill the person's bank. Ok, the risk of fraud is still there, like with anything, as I could bill for more, which I wouldn't do anyway, but as the buyer, you'd be checking your bank statement anyway, or should be out of common sense, to check that I have billed for the correct amount!

    Paying by credit/debit card is the same. You have to provide the long number, name on card, expriy date and/or valid from date. That information is needed to bill the card, and to make sure it's being billed to the right person etc.

    Identity theft is not anything new. It's been around forever. Well, ever since the introduction of paper bank statements that people throw out in the trash and people leaving certain details open to attack anyway because they're careless. It's just that today, there is more coverage and awareness of it because of fraudsters making up bogus emails and links to bogus websites to get your login information to act as you, pay for stuff in your name or clear out your account.

    So a BACS/Bank Transfer is safe and secure as using any other method of payment, when even then, all those other payment methods are still vulnerable to threats too.

    And as an experienced and trained geologist who has specialised in planet mechanics, volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunami, ancient weather, mega storms, ice ages, sea level rise and drops over thousands of years, solar system, planets, asteroid and commets etc, worked on proving certain biblical stories to be based in fact due to geological evidence of them, like Noah's flood occured at the end of the last ice age during a global warming event which saw oceans around the world rise by a few hundred feet which has now been proven but whether the story of Noah himself is ture is a different matter altogether, ten plagues of Egypt caused by a major volcanic eurption at the island of Santorini which Moses was nowhere near the red sea but was in fact at the sea of reeds which was more marsh land, could be got across but because of the Santorini island collapsing into the sea when the volcano erupted, several tsunami waves hit the coast of Egypt where moses "parted" the sea of reeds (misinterpretation of a word for red/reed, led to the wrong place which is why no one could find any archaeological or geological evidence of the parting of the seas and Moses's people because when you part a sea it leaves a geological fingerprint and when you are moving hundreds of people across a land, there has to be evidence of it, burning from fires, animals bones etc from food eaten, and the red sea is clean of such things but the coast of Egypt has traces of tsunami events and ancient land reclaimed by the sea), but I can safely say there is no chance of the Earth crashing into the sun, however, when the sun enters the later stage of its life in like 5/6 billion years time, humans most likely won't be around then anway, the earth will turn into a red giant, and will expand in size, swallowing mecury, venus, earth and mars, before going supernova, destroying our solar system for which gasses and debris will be all that's left and out of that will form another solar system and the circle of life/evolution will continue. So we're quite safe for the time being..
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    I've made a signature which is 500x100, eBid's maximum size for a signature, however, I've uploaded it but it's not showing on my signature? Have I missed something out and need to do something else?
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    Uploading it is only half the job, you have to include it in your sig. If the link "include signature picture" isn't visible next to the picture (it's been going AWOL lately) then type [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] where you want it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bykimbo View Post
    Uploading it is only half the job, you have to include it in your sig. If the link "include signature picture" isn't visible next to the picture (it's been going AWOL lately) then type [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] where you want it.
    Thanks for that.. Got it to work now..
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    Darth Reaper you are incorrect with your information, it is possible to scam accounts it has happened to people on here (including me). To be as safe as possible you should use an account that is unable to have direct debits actioned on it.

    It seems that some financial institutions are so greedy that they do not even run basic security checks. That would establish people's identity or finding out if the alleged customer actually has a car to insure before taking money off people.
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    I didn't say it was impossible to scam accounts! I was just stating that BACS/Bank Transfers are as safe and secure as any other payment method, which ALL payment methods are subject to fraud, scams, etc, regardless of it being debit/credit cards, PayPal or similar, as there will always be people who will try to beat security systems in place when they make a career out of fraud and stealing money from people's accounts. As said above in the previous post, all payment methods are vulnerable to fraud. No payment method will ever be 100% safe and secure because there are those who make a career out of it who will push the boundaries.

    And with BACS/Bank Transfers, it is the customers responsibility to check with their bank/statement (either at the bank, phone or online) that a seller has in fact billed for the correct amount if the seller does prove to be dishonest in some form. Honest sellers have nothing to worry about in some respects, like myself, we're just genuine, hard working and honest individuals trying to earn a living. Which is what I am doing. I was put out of work due a medical condition a few years ago, although still in recovery, I'm setting up and establishing my own business while I have the time on my hands to do it.

    Even the most clever of fraudsters get caught in the end when they get too greedy!
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    And sometimes they do not.

    The difference between a hotline straight through to one's entire personal financial system and a payment system like PayPal or Google Checkout should be obvious I would have thought, but hey, if you operate without a financial firewall in place, that's up to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SalusLibrorum View Post
    The payment method may have been in use for years, but identity theft and wholesale bank fraud has not.
    Quote Originally Posted by SalusLibrorum View Post

    You may be happy to hand out your bank details, address, real name and every other piece of identifying information necessary for bank fraud to random people on the internet, others of us remain rather more cautious, and given the numbers of threads and posts earlier on this matter where direct debits were just taken out of people's bank accounts on the strength of a phone call, I don't think that caution is misplaced.

    OK so the bank will give it back in the end, but that's assuming it's spotted. How many people get robbed and don't notice (on a joint account maybe, where someone may assume that the other has set up a debit)? Or indeed, why should a seller expose themselves to the unnecessary bother of having to sort it out?

    If there are costs involved, which there must be, if it involves "shared costs" exactly where is the advantage?


    People cannot setup a direct debit just by using someones bank details, it would take a lot more than that. There are security question asked before anyone can do that.
    There is more risk of someone stealing your money through Paypal (it has been done on numerous occasions) I have never heard of anyone having money stolen through giving someone their details for a BACS. The information is quite limited. There is more infomation on a check than you would give for a BACs payment.

    I am afraid you are very misinformed on this subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paintinglemonjane View Post

    People cannot setup a direct debit just by using someones bank details, it would take a lot more than that. There are security question asked before anyone can do that.
    There is more risk of someone stealing your money through Paypal (it has been done on numerous occasions) I have never heard of anyone having money stolen through giving someone their details for a BACS. The information is quite limited. There is more infomation on a check than you would give for a BACs payment.

    I am afraid you are very misinformed on this subject.
    I'm pro-BACS and anti-paranoia, but let's not over-state the case.
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    I was unaware that I was. I was just correcting some misinformation.
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