BIN To BUDDY

[sidthelamp]

How does eBay or any other venue that requires "pay now" for BIN sales obtain the payment upon purchase?

The buyer chooses either to complete the shopping cart or abandon the shopping cart.

If one goes to a local store, wanting to "buy something now" they will either complete the transaction by "paying for it now" or they can choose to put the item(s) back (abandon the shopping cart). If the buyer persists, and removes the said item from the store via theft, they would be stopped (if caught) and arrested/prosecuted, not rewarded.

It would actually be eBid who would determine an appropriate means or approach to implement the option. It is easily done, as others are already doing it. Also each seller can decide for themselves which approach works best in their case.

they cant which is my point they can scream at you till there blue in the face they can not force any buyer under any circumstances to pay immediate payment, that does not deflect upon penalties which could be implemented if a seller demanded instant payment and the buyer was not forth comming as i said a alternative approach should be considered


first time you or anyone else has mentioned shopping cart i replied to "immediate payment" which is the format were talking about the same problem would arise in shopping cart format so they pick 5 items in shopping cart and fall at checkout same problem if there individual items there not available for sale because there in the shopping cart or would they still be for sale? would it be clear to the buyer there still available? and if so its a mild threat that makes them complete,so no real difference there

your 3rd point not really a good comparison because a buyer in cyber space can not remove a item out of your care it still remains your property till you deem its paid for, your compairing a inconvience with theft

your 4th point

thats the 64thousand dollar question time has proved upto this moment you can not force a buyer to pay instantly

no site i know off has come up with a way to force immediate payment what would you have a site do, a score system 10 late payments your account is frozen ? would you as a seller using
" immediate payment required" on a listing say in your TCs if you dont pay straight away your blocked ? the golden rule in selling is never ever threaten or make uncomftable your buyer and pushing immediate payment would getting close to the line

as it stands your buyer has the choice to pay you or not if they dont pay the goods are left in limbo for up too a week till you have gone through the payment reminders or you can cancel and relist in what you think is a realistic time the former you get your FVFs back ,if they leave NF then ebid will review i doubt it will last long as there a NPB and then if you wish you can block the buyer without threatning them in your TCs

ive had very similar happen to me ive looked for a answer no doubt millions have without threats or compulsion which is counter productive ive yet to see a fix for this i doubt stating immediate payment is required would have any impact if there gonna want the goods there gonna pay

persistent non payers in any format should be removed from any site

[packratatheart]

With so many negs and neuts I am puzzled as to how such members are still able to purchase items on eBid. I always believed any member having 3 negs or more receives a strike through their name or even gets booted off.

This person apparently bid on all these items before getting 'caught'. I don't understand why anyone would want to do it.

[burgyeb]

they cant which is my point they can scream at you till there blue in the face they can not force any buyer under any circumstances to pay immediate payment, that does not deflect upon penalties which could be implemented if a seller demanded instant payment and the buyer was not forth comming as i said a alternative approach should be considered


first time you or anyone else has mentioned shopping cart i replied to "immediate payment" which is the format were talking about the same problem would arise in shopping cart format so they pick 5 items in shopping cart and fall at checkout same problem if there individual items there not available for sale because there in the shopping cart or would they still be for sale? would it be clear to the buyer there still available? and if so its a mild threat that makes them complete,so no real difference there

your 3rd point not really a good comparison because a buyer in cyber space can not remove a item out of your care it still remains your property till you deem its paid for, your compairing a inconvience with theft

your 4th point

thats the 64thousand dollar question time has proved upto this moment you can not force a buyer to pay instantly

no site i know off has come up with a way to force immediate payment what would you have a site do, a score system 10 late payments your account is frozen ? would you as a seller using
" immediate payment required" on a listing say in your TCs if you dont pay straight away your blocked ? the golden rule in selling is never ever threaten or make uncomftable your buyer and pushing immediate payment would getting close to the line

as it stands your buyer has the choice to pay you or not if they dont pay the goods are left in limbo for up too a week till you have gone through the payment reminders or you can cancel and relist in what you think is a realistic time the former you get your FVFs back ,if they leave NF then ebid will review i doubt it will last long as there a NPB and then if you wish you can block the buyer without threatning them in your TCs

ive had very similar happen to me ive looked for a answer no doubt millions have without threats or compulsion which is counter productive ive yet to see a fix for this i doubt stating immediate payment is required would have any impact if there gonna want the goods there gonna pay

persistent non payers in any format should be removed from any site

The concepts of screaming, force, demand, mild threat, pushing, compulsion are found no where except in your post. Apparently it is your perception of what is being said. Speaking only for myself, I said none of it; your perceptions belong to you.

[MelmacALF]

How does eBay or any other venue that requires "pay now" for BIN sales obtain the payment upon purchase? The buyer chooses either to complete the shopping cart or abandon the shopping cart.

Don't think ebid has a shopping cart (unless Iv missed it), and from my experience the other sides one does not work.

If one goes to a local store, wanting to "buy something now" they will either complete the transaction by "paying for it now" or they can choose to put the item(s) back (abandon the shopping cart).

That analogy is slightly off (for non shopping cart) its more accurate to say that the following is how multi BIN with immediate payment works-

pick item 1 from shelf
go to checkout and pay for it
pick item 2 from shelf
go to checkout and pay for it
pick item 3 from shelf
go to checkout and pay for it
pick item 4 from shelf
go to checkout and pay for it

not very practical for multi sales but fine if seller only selling one item at a time.

If the buyer persists, and removes the said item from the store via theft, they would be stopped (if caught) and arrested/prosecuted, not rewarded.

That is still linking the BIN immediate payment and the buyer buddy points together, they are completely separate issues and can be fixed independently simply by delaying the buyer buddy points till item is marked as paid in AAL

The concepts of screaming, force, demand, mild threat, pushing, compulsion are found no where except in your post. Apparently it is your perception of what is being said. Speaking only for myself, I said none of it; your perceptions belong to you.

I think looking at how something is percived by buyers is important (even if that perception is off).

From my experience with BIN immediate payments on the other side, I now group the demand (And it does come accross as a demand when buyers see it on a listing :-( ) for immediate payment in with the sellers who have illigal T&Cs or those who leave unprofessional feedback ie it looks like the seller is treating ALL buyers as if they are scammers, and it puts me off buying from them, and from what Iv seen in other forums that buyer perception is not uncommon.

Please note I am not saying any of the sellers on this thread are like that, Im just giving my buyer perception from the other site where I did try immediate payments (twice) but would not do so again, and both times I did not buy as much as I was going to, because I got fedup buying&logging into paypal to pay for each item individually.

[burgyeb]

Don't think ebid has a shopping cart (unless Iv missed it), and from my experience the other sides one does not work.



That analogy is slightly off (for non shopping cart) its more accurate to say that the following is how multi BIN with immediate payment works-

pick item 1 from shelf
go to checkout and pay for it
pick item 2 from shelf
go to checkout and pay for it
pick item 3 from shelf
go to checkout and pay for it
pick item 4 from shelf
go to checkout and pay for it

not very practical for multi sales but fine if seller only selling one item at a time.



That is still linking the BIN immediate payment and the buyer buddy points together, they are completely separate issues and can be fixed independently simply by delaying the buyer buddy points till item is marked as paid in AAL



I think looking at how something is percived by buyers is important (even if that perception is off).

From my experience with BIN immediate payments on the other side, I now group the demand (And it does come accross as a demand when buyers see it on a listing :-( ) for immediate payment in with the sellers who have illigal T&Cs or those who leave unprofessional feedback ie it looks like the seller is treating ALL buyers as if they are scammers, and it puts me off buying from them, and from what Iv seen in other forums that buyer perception is not uncommon.

Please note I am not saying any of the sellers on this thread are like that, Im just giving my buyer perception from the other site where I did try immediate payments (twice) but would not do so again, and both times I did not buy as much as I was going to, because I got fedup buying&logging into paypal to pay for each item individually.

eBid does not have a shopping cart yet.........but one could be developed if & when they decide. Shopping carts with payment required are quite functional and commonly used. Multiple Items of unlimited number are simply added to the cart, and then checkout is done. Some sites allow you to save to cart and check out at a different time. Therefore, the analogy is applicable.

eBid has the ability to delay buddy points until the item is marked paid in AAL. Currently this is not being done on eBid; sellers have no control of that feature.

I consider myself a buyer as well as a seller, on eBid/eBay/other venues. When I am expected to pay for my items at time of purchase, I pay if I want the item. I do not see it as a demand, it is business as usual. On my own auctions, the language has never been used. I generally do not get upset with a seller's stated requirements; if I am not agreeable to the "requirements" I just move on to another seller.

[MelmacALF]

eBid does not have a shopping cart yet.........but one could be developed if & when they decide. Shopping carts with payment required are quite functional and commonly used. Multiple Items of unlimited number are simply added to the cart, and then checkout is done. Some sites allow you to save to cart and check out at a different time. Therefore, the analogy is applicable.

Correct but the "shopping cart concept" is not mentioned in the poll and does not exist yet, therfor I think my analogy of how BIN with immediate payment would work if introduced now is more applicable given your poll options. Maybe you should start another poll with more defined options ? Seperating out the delay to buddy points/immediate payment /shopping cart.

eBid has the ability to delay buddy points until the item is marked paid in AAL. Currently this is not being done on eBid; sellers have no control of that feature.

Again correct and im sure they will look at it now its been brought up.

I consider myself a buyer as well as a seller, on eBid/eBay/other venues. When I am expected to pay for my items at time of purchase, I pay if I want the item. I do not see it as a demand, it is business as usual. On my own auctions, the language has never been used. I generally do not get upset with a seller's stated requirements; if I am not agreeable to the "requirements" I just move on to another seller.

As do I, but its the perception of buyers that sellers have to consider, if the T&Cs are illegal/unproffessional feedback or they give the impression that they think buyers are all scammers/timewasters and wont pay unless "forced", they will loose sales because some genuine buyers will move on to another seller.

Like I said before I dont object to the OPTION that sellers can opt-into to get immediate BIN payments, each seller can choose how they want to sell.

[burgyeb]

Correct but the "shopping cart concept" is not mentioned in the poll and does not exist yet, therfor I think my analogy of how BIN with immediate payment would work if introduced now is more applicable given your poll options. Maybe you should start another poll with more defined options ? Seperating out the delay to buddy points/immediate payment /shopping cart.

Will pass on this recommendation. But feel free to start a poll for it; would probably be quite interesting.



Again correct and im sure they will look at it now its been brought up.



As do I, but its the perception of buyers that sellers have to consider, if the T&Cs are illegal/unproffessional feedback or they give the impression that they think buyers are all scammers/timewasters and wont pay unless "forced", they will loose sales because buyers move on to another seller.

Define T&C's please.

Like I said before I dont object to the OPTION that sellers can opt-into to get immediate BIN payments, each seller can choose how they want to sell.

Agree with your last statement.

[burgyeb]

I have noticed a disturbing trend. I have had 2 new buyers from the UK join and used BIN (Buy it Now) on a high end coin. Both joined and placed BIN order on same day they joined. The first buyer did not pay for the coin. They received Buddy Point for the BIN purchase right away, but I received nothing. No Buddy Points, no payment, nothing. It appears they pulled the same thing with another seller, but that seller cancelled the transaction. I had also cancelled the transaction accidentally, and went to eBid about a refund, because the fee was almost $40. That buyer has a neg from me and a neutral from the other seller, yet they have not received a strike through for their activities. Also they still have all the Buddy Points that they earned through fraudulent activity.

Now a second new buyer from the UK bought the coin using BIN, and received Buddy Points immediately. I received nothing. Actually I have 2 buyers who have unpaid BIN purchases. I am of the opinion that BIN purchases should require immediate payment. The Bid option was available, for those not wishing to pay right away. This has never caused me concern in the past, but the coin is expensive, and it appears to me that this is deliberate. I do not plan to cancel any sales, because the seller will generally loose their seller's fee if they cancel. This means that the seller needs to follow the reminder path, leave neg, and then request the refund of fees. The buyers are getting to keep their Buddy Points from the transaction. This is not right.

I think the Bay requires immediate payment for BIN. I think eBid needs to consider moving in that direction.

The reason the poll was initially started. Not under the impression that one is restricted to speak only about what is in the poll. Seems the posts are drifting a bit from the initial concern.

[MelmacALF]

Agree with your last statement.

Sorry not sure what you mean by define T&Cs, i was refering to terms and conditions that are illigal or would put buyers off

I think the following questions might be generaly well accepted to improve the buddy points / BIN request to those that would like to use it, see what you think

1) Buyers should only be allocated buddy points AFTER payment has been made ?
2) ebid should consider introducing an immediate payment opt-in option on BIN listings ?
3) ebid should consider introducing a shopping cart system to allow immediate payment option above to work on multibuys ?

edit - but i think 3 has implementation problems because of combined shipping :-(

[burgyeb]

Sorry not sure what you mean by define T&Cs, i was refering to terms and conditions that are illigal or would put buyers off

Thank you. T&C's = Terms & Conditions

I think the following questions might be generaly well accepted to improve the buddy points / BIN request to those that would like to use it, see what you think

1) Buyers should only be allocated buddy points AFTER payment has been made ?
2) ebid should consider introducing an immediate payment opt-in option on BIN listings ?
3) ebid should consider introducing a shopping cart system to allow immediate payment option above to work on multibuys ?

edit - but i think 3 has implementation problems because of combined shipping :-(

Your 1,2,3 statements seem like reasonable starting points for dialogue either as poll items, or as beginning considerations for discussion with eBid. Not expecting dialogue from eBid in here, but who knows, they may be looking in.