life should mean life,

[silkcityuk2]

Fair enough. That'll cost money....are you happy to pay an extra 2-5p in the £ tax to see that happen? How else should we pay for it? yes i am but why should the public have to pay anymore anyway




No evidence on earth will ever show 100% guilt - even forensic evidence has odds against it.

erm so if a written statement is signed as well as complete proof

or is that wrong also?
surely you do not believe that all murderers are innocent

so its must surely mean that some are guilty?
like i said 100% guilt for death otherwise life meaning life

[hypn0t0ad]

erm so if a written statement is signed as well as complete proof

or is that wrong also

You believe a signed, written statement is proof of guilt?

There may be some people who disagree with you.


Birmingham 6 for example...

[damian_steele]

I reckon that anyone given a full-term life sentence should be given the choice of execution or lock up. Why should the public have to spend around £7,000 a week per high category prisoner to keep them locked up until they die naturally? It would also free up a lot more prison spaces and stop people getting let out early because of a choked up system.

[silkcityuk2]

You believe a signed, written statement is proof of guilt?

There may be some people who disagree with you.


Birmingham 6 for example...

please read what was written
i did not say that alone
no
and not just birmingham six
also guildford four
plus many others i would expect
as well as not instead of

[silkcityuk2]

I reckon that anyone given a full-term life sentence should be given the choice of execution or lock up. Why should the public have to spend around £7,000 a week per high category prisoner to keep them locked up until they die naturally? It would also free up a lot more prison spaces and stop people getting let out early because of a choked up system.

but life doesnt mean life anymore does it
does also depend on crime

[leadhillsonline]

but what about the innocent life of the victim
do they not deserve there killers to be punished?
i have said before
if the young offenders knew it would not be a easy ride and nothing to brag about half of them would think twice
but sadly i cannot see anything changing in the near future

The concept of punishment often validates and glorifies the actions of criminals; so no, there is no milage in punishment, its does not restore anyone or anything. The only comfort that I could offer the victim(s) and their loved ones would be the assurance that the perpetrator will stay locked up until they are no longer a threat or they die. Offenders should not be given the idea that the withdrawal of their freedom is a punishment because it is this concept that gives them credibility - back to how you describe a criminal - not a mastermind, but a spoilt brat.

Criminals are removed for the safety of the civilised majority. With indefinite sentancing, they would not get out until they will behave like mature human beings and demontrate understanding of and remorse for the pain and suffering they have inflicted. We expect them to behave, the suffering of lost freedoms is an incidental consequence of imprisonment, not the main purpose.

As for young offenders, as I have said, my position on sentancing is in opposition to the oppinion of the EU. To protect effectively and to make a stong statement of deterant, indefinate sentancing is no easy ride - the offender goes in and does NOT know when - if ever - they will be released. It is entirely dependent on their willingness to grow-up and behave - it is real zero tolerance.

Do not mistake this position for a soft option. Under such a system, young offenders would have a stark choice: be violent (whether you kill or not) and you WILL go down for as long as it takes to make a mature adult out of you - or - don't do it. With proper intensive support while "inside" those who do get released, ideally into a supportive and stable setting, will be unlikely to re-offend. In my view, we should not wait for a death before we throw the book at violent offenders. We tolerate too much violence seeing it as not serious if no-one is seriously hurt. The fact that violent acts rarely result in serious injury or death doesn't negate the possibility that they could have done - we should sentance accordingly. That is what I am saying.

[hypn0t0ad]

erm so if a written statement is signed as well as complete proof

There's no such thing as "complete proof" - if there was we wouldn't need a judge and jury to sift through the evidence! Forensic evidence is the closest we've got and that isn't 100%

surely you do not believe that all murderers are innocent

All murderers are guilty. Some people accused of murder are not.

so its must surely mean that some are guilty?
like i said 100% guilt for death otherwise life meaning life

OK - that'll never happen.

[silkcityuk2]

you are a spin doctor simon ..the labour party could do with you..as you have more changes in i post than the last parliment did

so i am a spinning doctor troll according to you ?

still as you are full of crap and anybody with a ounce of sense does not believe your bullcrap

i expect you claim off the state and are one lazy useless git
what is stopping you going to work and earning a living not scrounging and cheating?

[dragonmist]

I am fed up with seeing "Young Offenders" treated with kid gloves. You only have to look at the Bulger case to see that. Those little toe rags knew exactly what they were doing, and as a reward got everything, including a first class education, computers etc. handed to them on a platter.
My SIL knocked down an old lady who ran out between two cars when she saw her bus coming on the other side of the road. He was only going at about 15 mph because the traffic lights ahead had just changed. She hit her head on a car as she fell. He was never charged. A PC witnessed it and said it was purely an accident, and he could not have avoided hitting her. However, if he had been drinking or taking drugs that would have been manslaughter, but he would only have been charged with the driving offence, not killing someone. That's one law that really needs to be changed.
We are never going to get the Death Penalty back, though the likes of Myra Hindley, Ian Brady, Rose West, and Dr. Shipman all deserved to be executed in my opinion.
PS. I knew the Krays. OK, so one was barking mad, and you didn't want to cross him, but we walked the streets safely. There were no muggings, rapes, or thug attacks on ordinary people. The Krays did what the police wouldn't do. Once the Krays were removed every petty criminal breathed a sigh of relief, and the streets were no longer safe.

[shezz]

I am fed up with seeing "Young Offenders" treated with kid gloves. You only have to look at the Bulger case to see that. Those little toe rags knew exactly what they were doing, and as a reward got everything, including a first class education, computers etc. handed to them on a platter.
My SIL knocked down an old lady who ran out between two cars when she saw her bus coming on the other side of the road. He was only going at about 15 mph because the traffic lights ahead had just changed. She hit her head on a car as she fell. He was never charged. A PC witnessed it and said it was purely an accident, and he could not have avoided hitting her. However, if he had been drinking or taking drugs that would have been manslaughter, but he would only have been charged with the driving offence, not killing someone. That's one law that really needs to be changed.
We are never going to get the Death Penalty back, though the likes of Myra Hindley, Ian Brady, Rose West, and Dr. Shipman all deserved to be executed in my opinion.
PS. I knew the Krays. OK, so one was barking mad, and you didn't want to cross him, but we walked the streets safely. There were no muggings, rapes, or thug attacks on ordinary people. The Krays did what the police wouldn't do. Once the Krays were removed every petty criminal breathed a sigh of relief, and the streets were no longer safe.

Ohhhhh wow Dragon we have summit in common then, I know the Krays driver, he is the most nicest man i Know, he soooo respects woman and would not hear of any man disrespecting them, when i was gettin my divorce he pulled me to one side and just said, if i got any bother i knew where he was, dont get me wrong, his out of that game (his a lot older now), he had to move as where he lived, if anything happened at all, the police were at his house, even tho he had nowt to do with it. as i said he is such a lovely guy.