The EU Referendum.

[MPS16]

Not just DC, the whole EU machine will be brought to bear to produce the result demanded.

And thats what they call Democracy.

and the future

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/05/

[yellerbelly]

I bet you will never guess what my true feelings are towards the EU.

I'm singing from the same sheet.

Since joining the EU we have seen the decline of our manufacturing, the government is trying to encourage more people to set up a small businesses but with all the red tape and hoops to jump through laid out by the EU who wants to take the risk. We cannot negotiate our own trade deals and if what I have read is correct we only export 10%. Our farming and welfare of animals is better than other EU countries, we adhere to rules and regulations unlike some of the other EU countries.

It is about time the MP's backing Brexit got their act together and pulled as one.

Those that want to stay are only looking after their own interest, for example their EU pensions and so use scaremongering tactics such as workers rights, more unemployment. Hello!!! unemployment is high in Europe and Merkel and Juncker with their open borders policy are not helping only encouraging cheap labour.

I started work at 15 for an engineering firm as did the majority of workers in the city I was born and bred, this has now disappeared along with other engineering firms, British Steel has declined and as for the cheap imports you only have to look at some of the cutlery on the market these days, stainless steel it is not.

I'll climb of my soapbox before I burst a blood vessel. Yes I am one of your angry old women.:-)

[astral276]

I would expect that a lot of those who have known nothing but being within the EU will vote to remain. The EU machine has been brainwashing them via media, the education system, the political system, and other means since the 70s. They have no reference but the EU so will vote for 'the status quo'. Not that such exists, the EU is a moving road towards the destination of a European superstate (eventually a global state) controlled by bureaucrats and big business. The general population only allowed to exist in order to serve the state. I seem to recall that the plan existed once before and a lot of people had to die in order to prevent it.

Maybe that is what Europe needs, a war. A lot of the malaise in the world is probably down to a couple of generations being denied a bloody good punch up that involves everyone - not just those who choose to serve in the armed forces.

[sidthelamp]

I would expect that a lot of those who have known nothing but being within the EU will vote to remain. The EU machine has been brainwashing them via media, the education system, the political system, and other means since the 70s. They have no reference but the EU so will vote for 'the status quo'. Not that such exists, the EU is a moving road towards the destination of a European superstate (eventually a global state) controlled by bureaucrats and big business. The general population only allowed to exist in order to serve the state. I seem to recall that the plan existed once before and a lot of people had to die in order to prevent it.

Maybe that is what Europe needs, a war. A lot of the malaise in the world is probably down to a couple of generations being denied a bloody good punch up that involves everyone - not just those who choose to serve in the armed forces.

that will be one of the consequences of leaving the eu it will fall apart within a few years, old fights that were never settled will resume, as for USA they stick there nose in not for trade, the TTIP deal is a bonus for them , there real fear is they could not police the whole of europe without dragging in other sovereign states , which is were sides are taken were it is no business of any one else, we made the mistake of war before to be hoodwinked by the 3 that peace was the answer , two of the 3 immediately started the cold war which is still in play today while one of them players set its self up as the police of the whole world, destroying the middle east, because it did not suit them, while the 3rd player us rescinded are ,industry, farming with every thing that entails, and we became the lap dog of good old usa, the balance,checks on power across the globe were lost in june 1945 with the relentless push for the new world order, search on line for the speeches by the two bushes are very own mr brown blair and many others, the eu is only part of this game plan it will be a serious blow to globalists if we do vote to stay out, hence cameroons deception , he will never stay in power for long now, promising a referendum was like a knife in the back for the globalists

[tony41]

Babushka - the decline in British industry is almost entirely due to Margaret Thatcher. She thought that Britain could survive on financial services alone and that if there was no industry there would be no unions. But the financial services produced the crash of 2008.

[astral276]

Babushka - the decline in British industry is almost entirely due to Margaret Thatcher.

Wrong. The decline of British industry was down to the unions pricing British manufacturing out of the market. All Thatcher did was give up flogging a dead horse and turn off the life support machine.

The unions were run politically rather than in the interests of the workers they were supposed to be representing. That has nothing to do with the upcoming referendum though.

[sidthelamp]

when i was a kid in the 60s there was mill after mill shut, same with the factories , that was nothing to do with thatcher, it was incompetent governments allowing in cheap imports "globalists" thatcher took on the miners union in the 80s there by destroying the mining industry, not for lack of coal or work force, but allowing in cheap imports, the government did the same in the early 1900s destroying the hard rock mining industry , flooding the market with government stockpiles and allowing the cheap import of lead from Australia when broken hill came on line,

so some of you think it was the unions that was the ruin of manufacturing in the uk , id blame the management no investment, letting industries stagnate, take the car and motor cycle industries the japs took a basic uk bike car and turned it into a super machine at half the cost the uk could put out a dilapidated antique, sat a bit to far back on the past for my liking,

since the 80s eu regs have started to dominate the uk destroying what was left, h and s, environmental controls stiffing and destroying any initiative, freee trade within the eu for every day products put the working man out of the labor market when it could be done so cheaper abroad, almost destroying the farming industry coupled with environmental rules turning small rural farms and communities into a ghost of there former times,

no building industries to speak of, when the country is over populated , the next generation cant afford to buy a house even if they are well paid and have a hand out, Victorian Britain managed to build houses for its workers all funded privately or by city corporations, we might turn are noses up at a two up two down now but the people of the time had some were to live and work,

financial services

globalist were does one start with such a corrupt sector, all i will say is you cant build and sustain a economy on intangible money if theres nothing being produced how can you speculate on it.

you folks need to learn your history nothing is as simple as blaming one prime minister or the unions, the unions turn political when the politicians interfere with management and workers disputes

[astral276]

President of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz:

Nothing in life is irreversible, therefore legally binding decisions are also reversible, nothing is irreversible.

So much for the EU honouring any deal agreed.

[westlondoncarparts]

President of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz:
‘Nothing in life is irreversible, therefore legally binding decisions are also reversible, nothing is irreversible.‘
So much for the EU honouring any deal agreed.


The insertion of a few extra words would give the correct context to Martin Schultz’s comments:
‘Nothing in life is irreversible, therefore legally binding decisions are also reversible with the agreement of all parties concerned, nothing is irreversible.‘

There is no reason to believe that the EU would not honour any agreements.

In the current situation, it is the British who are requesting the reversal of legally binding decisions as represented initially by the Treaty of Rome that we signed up to and which the EU would allow to be reversed. In 1973 we did not just join a free trade zone, we joined a community that was established with the intention of creating social, political and economic ties between member states that would become so intertwined and so strong that all the member nation states would become interdependent upon each other, thereby bringing to a permanent end the centuries of bloodshed on the European continent as war after war was fought between the different countries and alliances.

[yellerbelly]

when i was a kid in the 60s there was mill after mill shut, same with the factories , that was nothing to do with thatcher, it was incompetent governments allowing in cheap imports "globalists" thatcher took on the miners union in the 80s there by destroying the mining industry, not for lack of coal or work force, but allowing in cheap imports, the government did the same in the early 1900s destroying the hard rock mining industry , flooding the market with government stockpiles and allowing the cheap import of lead from Australia when broken hill came on line,

so some of you think it was the unions that was the ruin of manufacturing in the uk , id blame the management no investment, letting industries stagnate, take the car and motor cycle industries the japs took a basic uk bike car and turned it into a super machine at half the cost the uk could put out a dilapidated antique, sat a bit to far back on the past for my liking,

since the 80s eu regs have started to dominate the uk destroying what was left, h and s, environmental controls stiffing and destroying any initiative, freee trade within the eu for every day products put the working man out of the labor market when it could be done so cheaper abroad, almost destroying the farming industry coupled with environmental rules turning small rural farms and communities into a ghost of there former times,

no building industries to speak of, when the country is over populated , the next generation cant afford to buy a house even if they are well paid and have a hand out, Victorian Britain managed to build houses for its workers all funded privately or by city corporations, we might turn are noses up at a two up two down now but the people of the time had some were to live and work,

financial services

globalist were does one start with such a corrupt sector, all i will say is you cant build and sustain a economy on intangible money if theres nothing being produced how can you speculate on it.

you folks need to learn your history nothing is as simple as blaming one prime minister or the unions, the unions turn political when the politicians interfere with management and workers disputes

Totally agree, you put it so much better than I could.

And yes Mel agree with what you say regarding Unions and some not all of the leaders who were only out to feather their own nests