random urine test for drugs and alcohol

[northwalesinks]

(This was written by a Train Driver in England - What he says makes a lot of sense!)

I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit.

In order to earn my wages, I work as a Train Driver. I am required to pass a random urine test for drugs and alcohol, with which I have no problem.

What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.

Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get unemployment benefit? Because I, and lots of other people have to pass one to earn it for them?

Please understand that I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sit on their a#se drinking beer and smoking drugs.

Could you imagine how much money the government would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a benefit cheque?

Hope you will pass it along though - because something has to change in
the UK and soon!

[astral276]

I think he's trying to take the p*ss.

[moonwitch]

I reckon people should definitely be tested before they get Disability Living allowance.....the local junkies would be a tad upset if that happened.

I know one who lives a few doors from me who gets a much higher rate of DLA than I do because she has drug related medical problems...something is very wrong somewhere

[Pink_Panther]

This is the same old chestnut. The more peeps that are unemployed the more those in work feel the pressure and the more they cast around for scape goats. Druggies are an easy target cos they are seen as the lowest of the low. A short step from them are the unemployed 'Feckless,work-shy scroungers so the propagandists tell us. But we all know that ain't true.

Greed and corruption and envy have landed us here. How many times have politicians and fat cat bosses been found stealing and eating much more of the national pie than they were entitled too. Then they bleat 'it's not us' It must be all those verminous druggies and unemployed who are eating the crumbs off the floor.'
Slimey, slippery b******s!

[Pink_Panther]

I agree there's something BAD WRONG somewhere. It's infuriating to see decent people's money spent on "indecent" people, in other words lazy drug addicts who most likely are also advocates of overthrowing the powers that be in the land that feeds them.

However, reality reminds me of one alternative to sustaining these ne'er do wells with handouts: anarchy and worse violence. I'm not saying we have to cower in fear of this possibility but I think it's one factor to consider.

Of course there are other alternatives too. For example enforced attendance at reeducation camps, or segregation, or hospitalization, or deportation (if they're not legal citizens), or imprisonment, or forcible surrender of their children to "more functional parenting", or legalization of drugs. These choices all have their drawbacks, obviously!

It's a dilemma that could conceivably bring down our societies.

I agree that something is very wrong somewhere. But why do you look to the lowest in society to kick. You should raise your sights a lot higher. Bankers and bosses who strip out the cash from ailing businesses. Giving themselves massive bonuses (what for? Incompetance!) Then there are the huge pay rises they award themselves while the lower ranks lose their pensions and homes and then slip steadily further into the mire and are despised by those they fall below.
Something is really wrong but the stench is coming from a lot higher up. And it is the stench of corruption & greed.

[TexasAda]

[re-posted after deleting. will now think carefully]

I agree there's something BAD WRONG somewhere. It's infuriating to see decent people's money spent on "indecent" people, in other words lazy drug addicts who most likely are also advocates of overthrowing the powers that be in the land that feeds them.

However, reality reminds me of one alternative to sustaining these ne'er do wells with handouts: anarchy and worse violence. I'm not saying we have to cower in fear of this possibility but I think it's one factor to consider.

Of course there are other alternatives too. For example enforced attendance at reeducation camps, or segregation, or hospitalization, or deportation (if they're not legal citizens), or imprisonment, or forcible surrender of their children to "more functional parenting", or legalization of drugs. These choices all have their drawbacks, obviously!

It's a dilemma that could conceivably bring down our societies.

[moonwitch]

Druggies are an easy target cos they are seen as the lowest of the low.

Excuse me

The druggies round here are also the drug dealers, shoplifters, muggers, burglars etc etc

No need for a 'scapegoat'.....I don't want my money handed over to the local druggies who pick up their disability money on a Saturday (can afford a taxi to get to the cash exchange.....or they don't actually pay the driver).....run out of money by the Monday after spending every last penny on drugs.

They boost their income by stealing from other people and swapping their prescription drugs for illegal drugs.

While these people are spending tax payers money on drugs and committing crime to fund their chosen lifestyle. I don't have enough money coming in to pay for a taxi to get me to hospital appointments as although I can't walk far nor use buses I don't get any extra money to cover the transport costs.

In case you are wondering how I can pass this kind of judgement....the local residents are putting together a joint campaign against one particular druggie who regularly pesters my 90 year old neighbour (who is poorly and lives alone)for money to buy drugs.

[MagnetsAndHangers]

(This was written by a Train Driver in England - What he says makes a lot of sense!)

I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit.

In order to earn my wages, I work as a Train Driver. I am required to pass a random urine test for drugs and alcohol, with which I have no problem.

What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.

Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get unemployment benefit? Because I, and lots of other people have to pass one to earn it for them?

Please understand that I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sit on their a#se drinking beer and smoking drugs.

Could you imagine how much money the government would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a benefit cheque?

Hope you will pass it along though - because something has to change in
the UK and soon!

Ok - lets add another 5% onto the base rate of tax to pay for all unemployed to be tested when they collect their benefit cheque.

NOT!

His employment puts him in charge of the safety of hundreds of people. Happens to pilots too. Am all for them being tested first.
Even car drivers can be stopped randomly and tested.

Who the heck does he think he is saying what people can do with their benefit money? If they want to spend it on drugs or booze, then that is up to them.

Personally I think this guy is talking through a hole in his rear-end.

[Pink_Panther]

[re-posted after deleting. will now think carefully]

Of course there are other alternatives too. For example enforced attendance at reeducation camps, or segregation, or hospitalization, or deportation (if they're not legal citizens), or imprisonment, or forcible surrender of their children to "more functional parenting", or legalization of drugs. These choices all have their drawbacks, obviously!

It's a dilemma that could conceivably bring down our societies.

I'm really offended by the above it looks like something out of 'MEIN KAMF'
Should we expect that all the disabled be gassed as well, that would save a few bob.

You think segregation is a goood idea? Are you crazy ! Just what we need class & race wars on our streets.

Hospitalization? what for ? are we going to sterilize all the baddies an stop em breeding?

THIS SOUNDS LIKE THE WORST KIND OF PROPAGANDA THAT CAME OUT OF NAZI GERMANY.


I AM DISGUSTED!

[TexasAda]

I agree that something is very wrong somewhere. But why do you look to the lowest in society to kick. You should raise your sights a lot higher. Bankers and bosses who strip out the cash from ailing businesses. Giving themselves massive bonuses (what for? Incompetance!) Then there are the huge pay rises they award themselves while the lower ranks lose their pensions and homes and then slip steadily further into the mire and are despised by those they fall below.
Something is really wrong but the stench is coming from a lot higher up. And it is the stench of corruption & greed.

Yes. Individual higher-ups wreak more financial havoc than individual drug addicts, unless of course you consider the murder, robbery, vandalism and theft committed, and usage of medical and police services required by the druggies. Individual higher-ups get more publicity individually. They have in my opinion very drastically lowered society's regard for politicians and bankers and industry leaders. These positions were once aspired to by middle class citizens and are now seen mostly as tickets to riches rather than opportunities for honorable life's work well paid.

Miserable drug addicts ARE despised because they so clearly cause harm. Their crimes are usually visible immediately. Maybe that's why I feel their sapping of resources can be remedied. You're right. There is a stench both above and below. The drug addicts go about undisguised as to their doings, while the higher ups have available the cloak of power and admiration, but to a lessening degree as time passes.