Hardcore Porn and Sex Toys??

[Miniatureland]

I must admit - I wasn't going to reply to this as I am relatively new, but actually, I don't like the porn/related stuff on here either. There is actually a bondage advert in Loose beads - I thought loose beads was going to be 'beads' - obviously not.

Anyway, its a shame it has to be so open to viewing.

[styupe]

When I saw this post, I was sure I was going to disagree. Without even reading it, I firgured it was just another person saying how wrong it is that this site allow these items. I am shocked to say that I do agree. It is the parents resonability, but that doesn't mean this site should make it so easy. 10 seconds after signing up, I was able to view the adult items. I was expecting to have to put in a credit card, or something to prove my age.

I sell adult items. I sell on many sites, and I haven't seen one that makes it so easy for kids to see the items. I am actually selling these items, and I think more should be done, that should say something.

[happynites]

I feel I have to answer some points raiseed in this thread, even though it is yet another repeated conversation.

just to be clear and open I sell adult toys and novelties (but not porn, by choice). Everyone knows I have an interest and a bias.

I do not agree that my customers should have to jump through even more hoops in order to by legal goods just because of the irresponsibility of some parents.

I too am a parent but, because of my business, I have my computer set to allow these images. I therefore got another computer for my kids that does not allow these images and I monitor very closely what they do access. It is not my responsibility to protect your kids where you fail to do so. i find the attitude "everybody else must protect my kids because I am too busy to do so" extremely offensive and a major cop out.

Simple steps can stop many of these images being shown on a pc, for example, change the preferences on Google to strict filtering, NEVER log in to a site such as ebid and then let the kids roam unsupervised, ALWAYS monitor what your kids are doing on the net. Your children are your responsibility. You chose to have them so don't then duck the responsibility by asking the rest of the world to restrict their activities to suit your choices.

At the risk of sounding like a hypocrite I must say that I too object, as a mother and a woman, to some of the images used to advertise porn, hard or soft. The images are often far too graphic. Sometimes depict violence and some of the women are obviously chosen for their childlike appearance. I have no objections to porn being sold but feel that the images should be kept inside the auction and not appear in the listings.


As to Paladins point about kids seeking adult images, he's right. They will, it is part of growing up. It is our responsibility to make it difficult for them and to protect them as best we can, to ensure they grow up balanced and without too many hang ups.

[ladylauraac]

I feel I have to answer some points raiseed in this thread, even though it is yet another repeated conversation.

just to be clear and open I sell adult toys and novelties (but not porn, by choice). Everyone knows I have an interest and a bias.

I do not agree that my customers should have to jump through even more hoops in order to by legal goods just because of the irresponsibility of some parents.

I too am a parent but, because of my business, I have my computer set to allow these images. I therefore got another computer for my kids that does not allow these images and I monitor very closely what they do access. It is not my responsibility to protect your kids where you fail to do so. i find the attitude "everybody else must protect my kids because I am too busy to do so" extremely offensive and a major cop out.

Simple steps can stop many of these images being shown on a pc, for example, change the preferences on Google to strict filtering, NEVER log in to a site such as ebid and then let the kids roam unsupervised, ALWAYS monitor what your kids are doing on the net. Your children are your responsibility. You chose to have them so don't then duck the responsibility by asking the rest of the world to restrict their activities to suit your choices.

At the risk of sounding like a hypocrite I must say that I too object, as a mother and a woman, to some of the images used to advertise porn, hard or soft. The images are often far too graphic. Sometimes depict violence and some of the women are obviously chosen for their childlike appearance. I have no objections to porn being sold but feel that the images should be kept inside the auction and not appear in the listings.


As to Paladins point about kids seeking adult images, he's right. They will, it is part of growing up. It is our responsibility to make it difficult for them and to protect them as best we can, to ensure they grow up balanced and without too many hang ups.

I think most of what you have said is complete crap. You are talking with your head up another part of your body. If kids are going to live in a world of PCs and computers, (because thats what the world is now) then why shouldn't ebid and other websites make it a bit more child friendly?
My kids are only young, so does not effect them yet. But I am sure all the other mums want to be able to go and make the dinner, knowing that their kids will not stumble upon porn and stuff.

[paladinz2k]

well, you can tell when someone has nothing useful to say and cant offer a reasoned argument, they switch to personal attacks and bad language.

I hope your attitude is better around your kids.

[happynites]

I think most of what you have said is complete crap. You are talking with your head up another part of your body. If kids are going to live in a world of PCs and computers, (because thats what the world is now) then why shouldn't ebid and other websites make it a bit more child friendly?

When my kids were little they played in the garden. I made sure there was a gate with a lock they couldn't open and that the garden was safe. My kids, my garden, my responsibility. I didn't expect everybody else to be banned from driving down my street in case my kids got out and I was "too busy" to be watching them.

My kids are only young, so does not effect them yet. But I am sure all the other mums want to be able to go and make the dinner, knowing that their kids will not stumble upon porn and stuff.

Here is a better idea. If the kids are old enough to be scanning the web then let them help to make tea. They spend more time with the parents, they learn something useful and the rest of the world does not have to adapt to fit those who cannot be bothered to supervise their kids.

ALL THE OTHER MUMS!!!!! Rubbish. I am a mum and so are most of my friends and I do not think that even the majority or a reasonable minority would see the internet as a suitable babysitter.
This is the attitude I find most offensive. A mother wants to go and do what she wants/needs to do and she cannot be bothered with supervising her kids properly so she sticks them in front of a computer and leaves them to it!

Try sitting down and using the net the way a child does, clicking on one link after another and see what comes up. There are images out there far worse than even the worst hardcore on Ebid. Sites that tell you how to make bombs,sites that tell you how to commit suicide, where to commit suicide, News sites with graphic violence, medical sites with pictures of horrific injuries. Much of the net is not suitable for children.

The net was developed to allow the exchange of information and views, not as an option to TV for lazy parents.

Where information, views and beliefs are expressed there will be much that we do not like or want to see. It is our choice to not visit those sites. It is our responsiblity to guard our children and supervise them though the mesh of images and views expressed. To help them sort the wheat from the chaff and how to realise the facts from propaganda. This is not done by sitting them in front of a computer and saying off you go. Nor should a parent pass the buck for the protection and development of their child to anyone else.

[ladylauraac]

When my kids were little they played in the garden. I made sure there was a gate with a lock they couldn't open and that the garden was safe. My kids, my garden, my responsibility. I didn't expect everybody else to be banned from driving down my street in case my kids got out and I was "too busy" to be watching them.



Here is a better idea. If the kids are old enough to be scanning the web then let them help to make tea. They spend more time with the parents, they learn something useful and the rest of the world does not have to adapt to fit those who cannot be bothered to supervise their kids.

ALL THE OTHER MUMS!!!!! Rubbish. I am a mum and so are most of my friends and I do not think that even the majority or a reasonable minority would see the internet as a suitable babysitter.
This is the attitude I find most offensive. A mother wants to go and do what she wants/needs to do and she cannot be bothered with supervising her kids properly so she sticks them in front of a computer and leaves them to it!

Try sitting down and using the net the way a child does, clicking on one link after another and see what comes up. There are images out there far worse than even the worst hardcore on Ebid. Sites that tell you how to make bombs,sites that tell you how to commit suicide, where to commit suicide, News sites with graphic violence, medical sites with pictures of horrific injuries. Much of the net is not suitable for children.

The net was developed to allow the exchange of information and views, not as an option to TV for lazy parents.

Where information, views and beliefs are expressed there will be much that we do not like or want to see. It is our choice to not visit those sites. It is our responsiblity to guard our children and supervise them though the mesh of images and views expressed. To help them sort the wheat from the chaff and how to realise the facts from propaganda. This is not done by sitting them in front of a computer and saying off you go. Nor should a parent pass the buck for the protection and development of their child to anyone else.

Well if you two think that web sites should not make it safe for children, then I guess the only thing a mother can do is not let there child anywhere near a computer.

It is not only down to the parent to keep children safe. If you saw a kid that wasn't yours run into a busy road, does that mean you wouldn't try to get them out of the road just because they was not your child?
All I am saying is web sites should do there bit too, to make it harder for kids to stumble across them.

[happynites]

Well if you two think that web sites should not make it safe for children, then I guess the only thing a mother can do is not let there child anywhere near a computer.

That is a pathetic response. Children should, and these days need, to have access to computers. The parents should supervise and monitor the net access same as they should monitor the books a child reads or the films they watch. Would you let a 6 year old watch Emanuelle or Day of the Dead? The net is not designed to be a babysitter.

It is not only down to the parent to keep children safe. If you saw a kid that wasn't yours run into a busy road, does that mean you wouldn't try to get them out of the road just because they was not your child?

Of course I would. But I would expect any sensible parent to have taken every reasonable precaution to prevent that child from running into the road in the first place.

All I am saying is web sites should do there bit too, to make it harder for kids to stumble across them.

Websites do do their bit. Ebids adult section is omitted from the search engine and can only be accessed by logging in first. Most adult sites are listed as such on Google and are omitted from the searches by default settings. These settings can be made stricter by the computer user.
Unsupervised kids can change those settings. But if the child is left unsupervised in front of a computer then is that the fault of the website or the parent?

Too many parents fail their children and then blame other influences eg The internet, the TV, the bands the kids listen too or the magazines they read instead of accepting the responsibility for monitoring the things their kids see.

[ladylauraac]

That is a pathetic response. Children should, and these days need, to have access to computers. The parents should supervise and monitor the net access same as they should monitor the books a child reads or the films they watch. Would you let a 6 year old watch Emanuelle or Day of the Dead? The net is not designed to be a babysitter.



Of course I would. But I would expect any sensible parent to have taken every reasonable precaution to prevent that child from running into the road in the first place.



Websites do do their bit. Ebids adult section is omitted from the search engine and can only be accessed by logging in first. Most adult sites are listed as such on Google and are omitted from the searches by default settings. These settings can be made stricter by the computer user.
Unsupervised kids can change those settings. But if the child is left unsupervised in front of a computer then is that the fault of the website or the parent?

Too many parents fail their children and then blame other influences eg The internet, the TV, the bands the kids listen too or the magazines they read instead of accepting the responsibility for monitoring the things their kids see.

Ok. I will NEVER fail my children. They are the most important things in the world (like ALL children are) and I never want them to suffer like I did.
So my children will not be allowed to use a PC when they are older, because of small minded people like you seem to be, that thinks its the parents job alone to protect their kid.
I dont just care about my own children. I care about my friends children, and all children.
You are missing my point. Have you even bothered to read the whole thread?
I will say it one more time.
WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT THE IDEA OF WEB SITES MAKING A LITTLE MORE EFFORT FOR CHILDRENS SAKE?

I cannot be bothered with this tread anymore.

[wolfbabe]

As the original poster of this thread i would just like to make some comments:
Ist: being rude and obtuse is not going to help the situation.
2nd: quite obviously i am not the only person who sees this as a problem {some people who actually sell adult toys etc do not agree that the adult site is so easily accessible by children} i do not expect buyers to jump through hoops to access the adult site i merely suggested a password to the adult site would be the best option, i personally do not see this as a hardship for those who wish to access the adult site.
3rd: As to watching children when they are on the internet this is a problem in itself , many schools have internet access and sites such as ebid and ebay etc are not blocked,plus children go to friends homes etc so in all honesty you really cannot police them all of the time, i have blocked ebid for my grandsons which in my opinion is wholly un-necessary but as they can quite easilt access the adult is sadly needed.
I would just like to end by saying i am by no means a prude i see nothing wrong in people wishing to use sex toys to make their sex life more enjoyable nor if they wish to watch porn, i just do not want my grandchildren to have such easy access to it, when they are older and fully understand sex if they too wish to indulge in porn and or the use of sex toys that will be their choice, but for now i would not like them to have such easy access to it from an auction site such as ebid.