When is ART not art but just a loada C*** ? lol

[blufairy]

Watching richard and judy.
TALKING ART.

When is art no longer art and just a loada SHI*E ???
Or is all ART , ART .... purely cus the "Artist" says so and displays it for show ?

They do say that it is valid ART if there is someone some where who views it as astheticaly pleasing.
BUT you could stick a dead body on the floor and say its art and some SICKO will enjoy it.

So ... do the MODERN ARTISTS / TATE GALLERY submisions some times go way TOO FAR ???

Is an animal cut in half / a shi* stained sheet, a messy kitchen, someone hanging from a hook by their toes, a single black dot on a HUGE canvas ETC - ETC , all worthy of the ART tag ?

or...............

is it all POMP & CRA* for people with more money than they have taste or talent. ?

[emma5721]

complicated subject elaine

i always thought art should be aesthetically pleasing but im old fashioned that way

as for the half dead animal whatever being appealing to someone well they dont count rofl in my mind


in recent years art has become synonymous with politics money and all sorts (hang on sorry thats wrong was always about in a lot of ways)

a half made bed and messy floor with stinky tights an empty bottle of 7 up and the remains of last nights curry is a pile of shyte basically and is not art and shame on the tate gallery /turner prize whoever it was th at gave it 1st prize

imo lol

shock tactics and sh yte art is not art end of story lol......................


i suppose good art is art that makes you feel good

but then again some art makes you THINK about things in ways you wouldnt otherwise so th ats good in a way

so i dont know pmsl.............

which begs the fkn question what is art rolly eyes

edit

i think art is a MEDIUM for peeps to express various thigns - themselves, some beauty, others politics, others sicko t houghts and the rest of it

at end of day theres no good or bad art and for the record i think the tate winners are usually the cra ppiest

[blufairy]

I agree with you em.



I do LOVE modern art though, as it goes , BUT only to the point where its still within the realms of " NORMALITY " what ever that is . lol

Infact in soem respects i prefer it to OLD style classical art.

But some peeps go way too far imo.

I recon that should draw a line somewhere and all that does not qualify naturaly as art can be called SHART ( OR similar ) lol






BET THAT WAS HARD TO DO. rofl.

[pesky33]

as an a-level student of someone who followed the curriculum to the letter, i have quite strong views on this subject. the thing with art is, it isn't just something to look at for some people, but it's an expression of themselves, and the things they've learnt about. we used to get 50% of our marks on the 'pre-work' which is basically the stuff leading up to the painting/sculpture i.e. all the reading, sketching, and so on i was always good at this bit, cause i love to learn, but i couldn't paint all that well

the thing with a lot of modern art these days, is it's all about the 'pre-work' BUT we don't get to see that at the gallery, we just get to see the finished article. if you read about the work of art and see the reasoning behind it, you get to see what they're trying to achieve. the same goes for old masters too of course, they all did sketches before painting, and a lot of stuff has more deep meanings than you can get by looking - it's just with the old 'aestheticly pleasing' styles, the end result was nice to look at as well.

modern artists all have to be able to draw 'properly' to get on a degree course, they just don't choose that as their final medium. BUT i bet if you read their manifestos, you'd see a lot of sketching, and a lot of in depth detail behind their finished piece of art

it saddens me when people can't see the work behind the final piece, and see the effort that went into it, but also accept that not everyone looks at art in the same way - some people want a nice picture, some people want a challenge.

personally, i'm a believer in 'if someone says it is art, it is art, regardless of whether you like it or not' - that doesn't mean i LIKE everything i see, but i can at least appreciate the effort that went into it

before i get carried away, i'll cite my favourite example. when Duchamp signed a urinal in the 1930s and called it 'Ready made' people were in an uproar... years later it is seen as the start of modern art, a masterpiece, and without it there would have been no Andy Warhol or any of the other Pop artists.

[emma5721]

yeah forgot to say pmsl...alot of it is CARP whatever the *educated critics* say lmao.........................i did it in a course and i talked to them in seminars once and i have never seen a load of off their heads peeps really and im open minded lmao..............and i have to say alot of carp is *justified* and patronised for various reasons pmsl helen does better than some of them

[emma5721]

before i get carried away, i'll cite my favourite example. when Duchamp signed a urinal in the 1930s and called it 'Ready made' people were in an uproar... years later it is seen as the start of modern art, a masterpiece, and without it there would have been no Andy Warhol or any of the other Pop artists





i know what you are talking about chloe i do about the effort etc - but at th e end of the day it was a pic of a male bog - uproar or no uproar..are you saying art is about making waves etc? .and i dont think dechamps deserves much mention in art history really.......lol.........a masterpeice?? sorry disagree lol. as bad as arrangin g a pile of fkn bricks in the tate and getting called an ambassador of art - a joke really for bored peeps........anyhow only my opinion

[pesky33]

it was an actual urinal, not even a picture of one, that's how little effort he put in, lol

nah, i know everyone is entitled to their opinion, i get it all the time from the other half, but a lot of people say 'i could do that!' - yeah, go on then, do it, THAT'S the point of art, anyone can have a go and feel good about it, and more people should do - it's a great stress reliever

i think everyone deserves as much mention as everyone else in art, and i do agree, art is about making waves - in the 1800s the pre-raphaelites got sick of the so called experimentation at the time, and wanted to return to more realistic painting - there's no telling what might happen in a couple of years

the thing with that bloke arranging the bricks wasn't that they were bricks, and you can't look at it and go 'oooh look, how nice' - i can't remember to be honest the actual reasoning behind it, but they were in the exact positions they were in for a reason, and that took effort - and no one else had done it before, that's the other thing about art, everyone demands originality, and then complains when it's too experimental

having said that, i have seen some total rubbish in my time, and even i've been known to sigh and roll my eyes...
sorry a subject close to my heart i'm afraid! i am quite opiniated on it, even though i know what a tricky one it is!

what do you think about performace art, emma?

[kim69]

To me art is a huge, intricate painting... or a nice sculpture... or just something like a painting which is colourful. Something in which alot of time&effort&love has gone into (not a messy bedroom!)
How filpping a light switch is art I don't know (believe it won the Tate prize one year).

[blufairy]

I understand what you are saying chloe ( and im kinda with you to a degree ) .

In as much as ( if, as you say there has been a long thought process and notes, reasons etc ... leading up to the FINISHED peice ) then it may well take on a new meaning.

PROBLEM IS ... if you have not been privvy to these lead ups, you can not possibly take them into account.

For example , if you where asked to show working outs to a math paper and didnt , you would lose marks, maybe even fail the test.

You need the WHOLE picture or else can only judge on what you actualy see.

[frommetoyou]

I once watched the south bank show and it had an artist on it who made a sculpture of his head out of his own shyte. If he wanted his poo to be red he would eat only food of that colour. He would stick it in the fridge to work with it later.
Bet no one goes round his house for tea