Duties and the USA

[kodakfish]

ok according to Auction bytes, the good old USA are looking to ensure duties are paid by the sender this will either see the end of sales to the US or major increases to postal cost as sellers have to prevent selling at a loss.

https://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/abb...755835181.html

[Stnenopmoc]

ok according to Auction bytes, the good old USA are looking to ensure duties are paid by the sender this will either see the end of sales to the US or major increases to postal cost as sellers have to prevent selling at a loss.

https://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/abb...755835181.html

Not enforceable as USA Law, either State or Federal is not applicable outside of the USA, although some behave as though it is.


Simply add in your selling statement that 'the buyer is responsible for all import duties and tarrifs imposed by their country. If a charge is applied on posting the buyer will be required to pay this additional charge before posting' I see a small issue.


Also add that the buyer should know what duties apply to the goods they order and must consider this when buying.



If you consider the argument,

When is the tarriff / duty imposed? - On arrival at the destination country. That country has to determine if it is an item that requires duty, where the item came from and the level of duty imposed.

Should the sender pay in advance? - no USA law does not apply in the UK. How could any other country outside of the recipient country determine the amount payable (this week) as they are not trained by American officials and have no idea about how to apply the legisaltion of another nation, that's why you declare the goods and value on the customs form, not the component parts etc.

Should you provide credit card info to deduct duty? - are you mad

Should you be billed later? - no, so take me to court. Oh yes, USA law does not apply in the UK.

But you must pay duty, so there (offical stamps foot and goes red in the face). - Being awkward, show me the qualifications, training certificates etc for the person determining the duty, now show me the legislation that determines this amount of duty for these specific goods that this offical is following. That appears to be American law, see above.

One last point - as there is a principle in the USA of 'no taxation without representation' and as you would not have an elected member in the Senate / House of Reps to represent your interests to the USA government it would, I beleive, be tax outside of the formation of the Constitution and so not even applicable within American law.

Currently American citizens pay tax on whatever they buy, they cannot abrigate their tax responsibilities by requiring a third party, outside of the USA, to pay them.


It's a load of hokum and not worth bothering about.

[johnwash1]

March 5 until April 30, sales of U.S. spirits in Canada fell by 66.3 per cent compared with the same period last year.

Yay!

If Americans want to vote for a lunatic who erects trade barriers then they suffer the consequences.

If there's now hassle selling to the USA, why bother. Let's hope the mid-terms bring out repentant voters.

[kodakfish]

When is the tarriff / duty imposed? - On arrival at the destination country. That country has to determine if it is an item that requires duty, where the item came from and the level of duty imposed.

Should the sender pay in advance? - no USA law does not apply in the UK. How could any other country outside of the recipient country determine the amount payable (this week) as they are not trained by American officials and have no idea about how to apply the legisaltion of another nation, that's why you declare the goods and value on the customs form, not the component parts etc.

Should you provide credit card info to deduct duty? - are you mad

Should you be billed later? - no, so take me to court. Oh yes, USA law does not apply in the UK.

But you must pay duty, so there (offical stamps foot and goes red in the face). - Being awkward, show me the qualifications, training certificates etc for the person determining the duty, now show me the legislation that determines this amount of duty for these specific goods that this offical is following. That appears to be American law, see above.

One last point - as there is a principle in the USA of 'no taxation without representation' and as you would not have an elected member in the Senate / House of Reps to represent your interests to the USA government it would, I beleive, be tax outside of the formation of the Constitution and so not even applicable within American law.

Currently American citizens pay tax on whatever they buy, they cannot abrigate their tax responsibilities by requiring a third party, outside of the USA, to pay them.


It's a load of hokum and not worth bothering about.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately Royal mail are looking to add at least 50p per packet to cover the extra admin that they have said will be involved. Both the linked article and international postal consortium say, that the US are pushing the onus on to the postal companies. I understand that they may be liable to declare they have collected duties in advance [and may be liable to paying this accross to the USA, otherwise packages will be refused. TBF this will likely change minute to minute.

[ManitobaSecondHand]

Yes, I recently sold a magazine to the states (on the other site), and it is completely absurd how much paperwork I had to complete to send a 3 dollar magazine. Hopefully it will arrive before the de minimus mumbo jumbo comes into affect.

[Stnenopmoc]

[/QUOTE]Unfortunately Royal mail are looking to add at least 50p per packet to cover the extra admin that they have said will be involved. Both the linked article and international postal consortium say, that the US are pushing the onus on to the postal companies. I understand that they may be liable to declare they have collected duties in advance [and may be liable to paying this accross to the USA, otherwise packages will be refused. TBF this will likely change minute to minute.[/QUOTE]



Not sure Royal Mail can just add 50p as that is a postal charge increase that must be approved by the government. If they agree to an increase then there is political capital against the govenment and a potential hit on inflation figures, so not somthing a sensible government will agree to . . . . . . hmmmm

Royal Mail will need to publish the rules about collection of any excess fee otherwise they will be in trouble (remember Horizon). The rules change daily and are not co-herent. The important aspect is. how do Royal Mail assess duty as this is a USA, not a UK, tax.

How will Post Office staff be trained for assessing a package of multiple differeing tarrif items, how often will the training be carried out, how do the public know if the person behind the counter is trained, compedent, and currently certificated for such an assessment, will they be briefed daily. It goes on and on and on and on.


Who do people outside of the USA complain to, certanly not the Post Office. The US embassy is an (ineffective) good start. Best to complain about constutional rights, they will reply that the UK is not subject to the consitution and then the reply must be 'why am I being taxed by America then', no taxation withot represntation. Lots of letters will annoy but copy in US civil rights groups and that will create an issue. Also copy in 'Republicans Abroad'

What happens with couriers ?

This terminology "and may be liable to paying this across to the USA" is wrong. As it is a USA law they will not be LIABLE to pay anything, although they may pay if they wish. If the USA refuses post then that breaks an international postal agreement to deliver all legal mail. Then there may be repercussions with countries refusing to handle US post and perhaps courier stuff. Lobby your MP.

just some random thoughts




I havn't opened selling to America since Trump's re-arrival and as I sell quite desirable and impossibly hard to find items I really enjoy telling American buyers begging me to sell things to them, to buy through a friend in Canada (or vote in a new president) don't need the hassle or the sale.

[FirstGreenIsGold]

I don't understand how all this is going to work. The other day I was going to order something from a website USA company but .ca version. There it was. A 15% import fee. OK.

The items that I list here on eBid are sent via Canada Post lettermail, letterpost, or small packet. I don't know if 45/47 has imposed any of his tariffs on small packets to the USA. Any little item that isn't paper to the USA is supposed to be sent small packet. Things like coins etc.

[JanetB]

First of all, please don't say "America voted for this buffoon" only a small minority 34% did - 33% didn't and rest didn't bother at all (it's the rest that didn't bother is what bothers many of us) I always refer to: MINORITY OF USA - also, if your confused about tariffs, imagine how outraged and confused most of us are. President TACO (Trump Always Chickens Out) constantly changes his mind on tariff percentages, will he impose wont he impose. As we (intelligent) Americans are trying to understand tariffs is that the companies here in the USA are liable to pay for the import tariffs and pass on the costs to the end consumers, we are already experiencing higher prices across the board. Most Americans, by now, realize what is going on and miss our allies very much and fighting as hard as we can to get that orange abomination out of office with some successes so far which is encouraging as more and more politicians are standing up and fighting back. Thank you to all our 'allies' around the world for protesting on our behalf, we love you too Thank you.