The EU Referendum.

[sidthelamp]

I've just been watching Will Self on Channel 4 news and he said that not all Brexiters are racist but all racists will vote for Brexit and I have to say, after reading some of the posts from the Brexiters on these forums, I agree with him.

its terrible that after allowing hundreds of thousands of social, political ,homeless migrants into the uk, that the eu and whats left of the uk government did not see fit to expand the social structure in the uk to handle these hundreds of thousands of people coming here, to say were over stretched is a bit of a understatement, to point this out is not racist,nor a over statement, next time you need to see a doctor it might be two weeks before you even get a appointment, or social housing or even a affordable house, we all know who gets first priority , the rich, and the migrants

[westlondoncarparts]

Don't forget that the only major foreign politicians who are in favour of the uk leaving are Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump and Marine Le Pen. Say no more.

The foreign policy of the Russian Federation is that international law should be followed in all international relations and that the sovereignty of nations should be respected. The diplomatic efforts of the Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and his staff are directed in accordance with that policy. Vladimir Putin regularly reminds the world of this foreign policy in international gatherings.

Western foreign policy is diametrically opposed to Russian foreign policy because the West has no respect for international law or for the sovereignty of other nations. It operates foreign policies of regime change and of shoot first ask questions later. Western powers wanted regime change in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Ukraine. We ended up with wars in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Ukraine. We ended up with broken countries in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Ukraine. Although the West wraps up its illegal activities under the guise of supporting democratic processes, the reality is that Western foreign policy is about geopolitical control. As such, some countries such as the UK are among the most anti-democratic countries in the world because we do not tell the truth about what we are trying to achieve with our foreign policy.

With regard to President Putin and the British EU debate, the Russians have not made any statement on this other than to say that this is a matter for the British people. It is pure propaganda and mischief making for the British Government to say that the Russians would be happy for the UK to leave the EU because this would be perceived as weakening the West. If the Russians had issued a more detailed statement, I would expect that it would be along the lines that they hoped that the UK and the EU would respect international law and the sovereignty of nations in accordance with Russian foreign policy whatever the outcome of the British Referendum.

This point highlights the fact that many key issues concerning the EU have not even been raised during the Referendum campaign,

For example, in the early days of the European Economic Community there was the intention that the EEC would develop its own foreign policy and would be an independent bloc in international affairs and would act as a bulwark between the USA and the Soviet Union in the Cold War. Whilst the Marshall Plan had been received gratefully in Europe in the post WW2 reconstruction process, it was recognised also that it was being used as a tool of American foreign policy. A specific intention of the EEC in the early days was to have its own foreign policy independent of the Americans and to stand independent of the USA. Today in 2016, the EU is almost joined at the hips with the USA when it comes to foreign policy and is effectively an agent of American foreign policy. American foreign policy has been the cause of many of the world’s conflicts. This should have been debated in recent weeks rather than have David Cameron paint Vladimir Putin as some kind of bogeyman waiting to cause trouble.

For example, NATO was set up as a tool of American foreign policy. The response to that was the establishment of the Warsaw Pact military alliance in Eastern Europe and to the treatment of Eastern European countries by the Soviet Union as a defensive buffer zone between it and the West. An early intention of the EEC was to develop its own combined military forces so that it could stand independent of the USA and of NATO. At one time, France even left NATO. Today, NATO is at the most aggressive that it has ever been against the Russian Federation and is engaged at full throttle in the propaganda war against President Putin and the Russian Federation. Most of the NATO countries are also members of the EU. This activity of NATO stands in full contradiction to the original founding vision of the EEC and its predecessor organisations in developing the world’s biggest peace project. NATO is anti-peace in Europe and has contributed to the new Cold War with Russia. The UK Referendum debate should have included discussion about this situation with NATO. It should also have included discussion about why Europe is relying on NATO for defence and why the Europeans have not developed their own EU military alliance as was originally intended.

For example, the EU and the USA are primarily responsible for the recent turmoil in Ukraine. Whilst we would expect the USA to undermine a country that had friendly relationships with the Russian Federation, we would not expect the EU to contribute to a situation of civil war and a refugee crisis in Ukraine. The independent United Nations is on record as saying that more than one million refugees fled for their lives from Eastern Ukraine over the border into Russia and they are still there. The Ukrainian Government has destroyed large tracts of the Lugansk and Donetsk infrastructure and large tracts of domestic housing. The Ukrainian Government cut off banking infrastructure there so the monetary system broke down. Many people still living in Lugansk and Donetsk have now been living for a long time in the basements of soviet era apartment blocks with no power and no regular food supplies – back to the Stone Age, courtesy of the USA and the EU. The UK Referendum debate should have included discussion about this situation in Ukraine. We should have been debating why the EU has uprooted itself from its spiritual roots as the world’s biggest peace project and why it has helped to cause war in Ukraine and has helped to start a new Cold War with Russia.

Just to make the point about what is going wrong, Angela Merkel asked Japan to join NATO. Whilst it is now many years since I was last at school, my memory of basic geography has not faded and I do not understand what legitimate reason there could be for a country in the Pacific Ocean to be a member of the North Atlantic Military Alliance other than for this to be part of the American foreign policy to isolate Russia and China.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...it/567712.html

The EU Referendum debate has been very limited in the subject matters covered and it has been most incorrect to try to draw President Putin into it.

[sidthelamp]

while this eu debate has been going on, there has been very little mentioned about the massive military build up along the eu borders with the russians ,whole tank regiments , on a roll on off basis , armed military brigades backed up by artillery , not sure what the air power is , but you can be sure its massive, last week the foreign minister in germany complained this was unprovoked aggression by nato,

[olivia8143]

its terrible that after allowing hundreds of thousands of social, political ,homeless migrants into the uk, that the eu and whats left of the uk government did not see fit to expand the social structure in the uk to handle these hundreds of thousands of people coming here, to say were over stretched is a bit of a understatement, to point this out is not racist,nor a over statement, next time you need to see a doctor it might be two weeks before you even get a appointment, or social housing or even a affordable house, we all know who gets first priority , the rich, and the migrants

I didn't realise Llandysul was a hotspot for migrants lol.

[sidthelamp]

I didn't realise Llandysul was a hotspot for migrants lol.

there are migrants in llandysul, but the point is they have a knock on effect on all services all over the country

[astral276]

Just typical of the cynicism of the Leave campaign. They flew an airplane towing a leave banner over the celebration of Jo Cox's 42nd birthday.

If he thought he could have got away with it Cameron would have nailed her dead body to a plank, mounted it on the front of a 'battle bus', and driven it around the country.

[olivia8143]

its terrible that after allowing hundreds of thousands of social, political ,homeless migrants into the uk, that the eu and whats left of the uk government did not see fit to expand the social structure in the uk to handle these hundreds of thousands of people coming here, to say were over stretched is a bit of a understatement, to point this out is not racist,nor a over statement, next time you need to see a doctor.....

My doctor IS a migrant (German) and if she goes there'll be no doctors at my health centre. Also, you're overestimating the amount of migrants coming into the UK (less than 1%) ALSO. many of the migrants are working in the NHS and other public services that will collapse (see above example) without them.

[olivia8143]

Also, referring to migrants as "swarms" (remember D. Cameron being castigated for this?) IS racist.

I was referring more to him having reportedly bought bomb making, weapon making, and other such material years ago from a far right group. He then, again reportedly, 'took a break' from such activities. What set him off again is debatable, but the uncontrolled swarm of migrants and refugees across Europe....

[sidthelamp]

My doctor IS a migrant (German) and if she goes there'll be no doctors at my health centre. Also, you're overestimating the amount of migrants coming into the UK (less than 1%) ALSO. many of the migrants are working in the NHS and other public services that will collapse (see above example) without them.

white european highly skilled = doctor who pays taxes ,yer right thats a fair comparison to the hundreds of thousands who come here and only take dont contribute at all,

less than 1% of what ? aliens who come here to abduct cows and leave chem trails in the sky killing of the planet.

333000 immigrants came to the uk as of year ending dec2015, thats just the offical figures it does not take into account those that came in through the front door, get it,!

we've not be told how many this year, well theres a surprise

[tony41]

white european highly skilled = doctor who pays taxes ,yer right thats a fair comparison to the hundreds of thousands who come here and only take dont contribute at all,

less than 1% of what ? aliens who come here to abduct cows and leave chem trails in the sky killing of the planet.

333000 immigrants came to the uk as of year ending dec2015, thats just the offical figures it does not take into account those that came in through the front door, get it,!

we've not be told how many this year, well theres a surprise

It's obvious what the less than one percent. Olivia expresses herself more clearly than you do.

Do you really mean that official figures "do not take account of those who came in through the FRONT door"?

Overall, immigrants pay more to the country through taxes etc than they take out. The problems with the NHS are due to lack of investment by the government. Similarly, the lack of school places and of houses. Again lack of investment by the government.