Thanks for that Dean, I don't know if it is still the same but when I was listing a few years ago there was a box available in which to place "keywords". Not knowing anything about them I ignored it and just put all the relevant info in my description and title. It was this that I was reffering to; incidentally if I have to use the word "and" or "first" would I be best also including "&" or "1st" as well. To cover all eventualities of searches?