Typical online scam, just giving you guys a heads up.

[unclelamsgadgets]

One of the most common online scams by buyers is this. Buy an item. Pay through paypal. Then send a message to the seller claiming the address in paypal is wrong and request that the seller sends the item to a different address that's provided in the email. After the item is received, file a claim with paypal claiming the item was never received. Paypal looks at the tracking and lo and behold tracking delivered item to a different address than what's confirmed in the paypal system. Paypal then rules in the buyer's favor and refunds the buyer in full.

Someone recently ordered about $200 of stuff from me. Then I received an email from him saying address in paypal is wrong and please send to the following address... I responded saying I will only send to an address that is confirmed in paypal.

What came next was the typical response of a scammer. He exploded on me saying he will never order from me or use paypal again, all in CAPITAL LETTERS. I then asked him if he wanted to cancel or re-order with the correct address in paypal and he responded "CANCEL IT!"

So, guys, please watch out for this scam. Every year, thousands of sellers are scammed by this very simple method by people who have no sense of moral or conscience. Never send to an address that is not confirmed by paypal.

[suesjools]

One of the most common online scams by buyers is this. Buy an item. Pay through paypal. Then send a message to the seller claiming the address in paypal is wrong and request that the seller sends the item to a different address that's provided in the email. After the item is received, file a claim with paypal claiming the item was never received. Paypal looks at the tracking and lo and behold tracking delivered item to a different address than what's confirmed in the paypal system. Paypal then rules in the buyer's favor and refunds the buyer in full.

Someone recently ordered about $200 of stuff from me. Then I received an email from him saying address in paypal is wrong and please send to the following address... I responded saying I will only send to an address that is confirmed in paypal.

What came next was the typical response of a scammer. He exploded on me saying he will never order from me or use paypal again, all in CAPITAL LETTERS. I then asked him if he wanted to cancel or re-order with the correct address in paypal and he responded "CANCEL IT!"

So, guys, please watch out for this scam. Every year, thousands of sellers are scammed by this very simple method by people who have no sense of moral or conscience. Never send to an address that is not confirmed by paypal.

Thanks for the heads up, much appreciated.

Best wishes for many sales to all,

[HerMajesty]

It's not ALWAYS a scam. My eBid address is different than my paypal address, because my paypal was set up in the states when I lived there. I now live in the UK, but use my US bank account and cc cards. I do not have a UK credit card, so cannot get paypal to change the address for eBid......tho I can select any address I want (US or UK) when using ebay or other sites................I'm sure there are other instances when the request is valid......like sending the item to someone else for a gift. I do that occasionally too, so your statement is a bit too generalized to be accurate.

[suesjools]

It's not ALWAYS a scam. My eBid address is different than my paypal address, because my paypal was set up in the states when I lived there. I now live in the UK, but use my US bank account and cc cards. I do not have a UK credit card, so cannot get paypal to change the address for eBid......tho I can select any address I want (US or UK) when using ebay or other sites................I'm sure there are other instances when the request is valid......like sending the item to someone else for a gift. I do that occasionally too, so your statement is a bit too generalized to be accurate.

Hadn't thought of that, thanks Your Majesty.

Bows and misses the kitties, chasing each other around the sofa...

Best wishes for many sales to all,

[upsoundebid]

It's not ALWAYS a scam. My eBid address is different than my paypal address, because my paypal was set up in the states when I lived there. I now live in the UK, but use my US bank account and cc cards. I do not have a UK credit card, so cannot get paypal to change the address for eBid......tho I can select any address I want (US or UK) when using ebay or other sites................I'm sure there are other instances when the request is valid......like sending the item to someone else for a gift. I do that occasionally too, so your statement is a bit too generalized to be accurate.

you guys are missing the point here are you not? nave you had an instance as yet? where the item was claimed to not received or be sent somewhere else. the point is that IF you send an item to a non confirmed address - paypal can keep your funds and the buyer again wins. are you not helping in this then when you send to another address without the buyers written ok or permission.. first we have to get paypal to recognize that the seller has the legal ok to send to a different address . Of course we all know that even then paypal is NOT going to help or side with the seller as the buyer is number one and always will be... THE BUYER IS TO HAVE A GREAT TRANSACTION - THAT IS ALL!!! why do really think buyers are allowed to return items after 30-90 days if they so feel . leave feedback after 90 days? the small seller is now lost. admit it

[unclelamsgadgets]

It's not ALWAYS a scam. My eBid address is different than my paypal address, because my paypal was set up in the states when I lived there. I now live in the UK, but use my US bank account and cc cards. I do not have a UK credit card, so cannot get paypal to change the address for eBid......tho I can select any address I want (US or UK) when using ebay or other sites................I'm sure there are other instances when the request is valid......like sending the item to someone else for a gift. I do that occasionally too, so your statement is a bit too generalized to be accurate.

Consider the following scenario.

You walk into a store, get $30 of items, and go to the cashier to pay. You pay the $30. Instead of putting the money into the cash register, the cashier puts the $30 on the table within your reach and says, "you can take the items and the money or leave the money, your choice."

Of course you can say well not everyone will take the cash and that you are confident most people would leave the cash because they are honest enough to do so.

My question is if you are the cashier, would you ever do that?

If you are an online seller, why in the world would you open yourself to such a possibility? By sending to a non-confirmed address, you are putting the money that you've worked very hard for at the mercy of the buyer.

I just paid someone from the other side of the country exactly $1000 through paypal. I have several addresses I could have the guy send my goods to. I clicked on "change" in the address field and input in the address that I wanted him to send the goods to. It took me a whole 5 seconds to do so.

The buyer I mentioned in the original post who exploded on me because it was too hard for him to change the address for me to send the goods to is either (1) an idiot who doesn't even know how to spend 5 seconds of his life to change an address on paypal or (2) a scammer who got mad because I saw right through his scam.

But the most important point is you are missing my point. Again, if you were a cashier would you ever put the money out there and tell the customer they could either walk off with the items and the money or they could walk off with the items only and leave the money to you? If you answer yes, then god help you. If you say no, then why in the world would you do something similar if you're an online seller?

Again, it took me 5 whole seconds to change the address for the merchant in California to send my goods to. If you can't figure out how to do something that simple, then you're either an idiot or you're a scammer.

[HerMajesty]

Consider the following scenario.

You walk into a store, get $30 of items, and go to the cashier to pay. You pay the $30. Instead of putting the money into the cash register, the cashier puts the $30 on the table within your reach and says, "you can take the items and the money or leave the money, your choice."

Of course you can say well not everyone will take the cash and that you are confident most people would leave the cash because they are honest enough to do so.

My question is if you are the cashier, would you ever do that?

If you are an online seller, why in the world would you open yourself to such a possibility? By sending to a non-confirmed address, you are putting the money that you've worked very hard for at the mercy of the buyer.

I just paid someone from the other side of the country exactly $1000 through paypal. I have several addresses I could have the guy send my goods to. I clicked on "change" in the address field and input in the address that I wanted him to send the goods to. It took me a whole 5 seconds to do so.

The buyer I mentioned in the original post who exploded on me because it was too hard for him to change the address for me to send the goods to is either (1) an idiot who doesn't even know how to spend 5 seconds of his life to change an address on paypal or (2) a scammer who got mad because I saw right through his scam.

But the most important point is you are missing my point. Again, if you were a cashier would you ever put the money out there and tell the customer they could either walk off with the items and the money or they could walk off with the items only and leave the money to you? If you answer yes, then god help you. If you say no, then why in the world would you do something similar if you're an online seller?

Again, it took me 5 whole seconds to change the address for the merchant in California to send my goods to. If you can't figure out how to do something that simple, then you're either an idiot or you're a scammer.

I am not an idot.
I am not a scammer.
I do know how to change addresses on paypal, and have quite a few set up that I use (family members to whom I send gifts, for example). HOWEVER, the facility to change my address FROM one of my US addresses to my UK address IS NOT AVAILABLE when I use eBid. I wonder if it is ebay/paypal's way of making things difficult for competition, or if it is just some glitch. But it is NOT AN OPTION (at least on UK eBid).........so don't go slagging people off if you don't have all the facts.

As far as the cashier goes, there are many places around here where people leave things on a table at the end of their drive, and ask people to put money in a box if they take something. And it happens the same way in the states, I know for a fact.

Not everyone is a scammer, and it is very sad that there are scammers in the world. Just don't make all-inclusive generalized statements when they are not accurate, and please don't slag people off here on the forums.

I had intended to welcome you to eBid when I first saw you here.....my daughter was born in Elgin. I hope you have good success, and that you don't run into any scammers. Good luck.

[unclelamsgadgets]

I am not an idot.
I am not a scammer.
I do know how to change addresses on paypal, and have quite a few set up that I use (family members to whom I send gifts, for example). HOWEVER, the facility to change my address FROM one of my US addresses to my UK address IS NOT AVAILABLE when I use eBid. I wonder if it is ebay/paypal's way of making things difficult for competition, or if it is just some glitch. But it is NOT AN OPTION (at least on UK eBid).........so don't go slagging people off if you don't have all the facts.

As far as the cashier goes, there are many places around here where people leave things on a table at the end of their drive, and ask people to put money in a box if they take something. And it happens the same way in the states, I know for a fact.

Not everyone is a scammer, and it is very sad that there are scammers in the world. Just don't make all-inclusive generalized statements when they are not accurate, and please don't slag people off here on the forums.

I had intended to welcome you to eBid when I first saw you here.....my daughter was born in Elgin. I hope you have good success, and that you don't run into any scammers. Good luck.

Ever since I started selling online, I have lost thousands to scammers.

The most successful scammers are the ones that know how to play the system. Use the system's rules.

For example, the best scam I have ever seen in my time selling online is also one that is IMPOSSIBLE for any seller at all to defend himself against.

I live in South Elgin. Post Office distribution center is in Elgin. Suppose I order an item to be delivered to South Elgin. But I can show up in the Elgin post office and show my ID claiming I'm going out of town so I need it now. They will give the item to me. Tracking info will show the item is delivered in Elgin instead of South Elgin. I can then do a chargeback claiming item never received. Paypal will look at the place of delivery and will refund the money to me in full. The seller will be out that amount.

There are areas in certain places in the US that only has one PO distribution center for many cities. Oklahoma, for example, only has one freakin' distribution center for the entire state. The PO distribution center in Atlanta distributes to the surrounding 14 cities.

There is absolutely no defense against this type of scam. When it hits you, chances are you will just have to suck it up.

The point is I know not every case is a scam when it comes to change in the address. I'm still never going to send to an unconfirmed address.

What do you think about the buyer I mentioned in the original post? I looked up the two places. The confirmed address and the one he wanted me to send to are 2 different towns but they are right next to each other. Only a few miles apart. All I was asking him to do was press that change button in paypal and change the delivery address to the one he sent to me via email. Instead of doing that very simple thing, he started yelling at me and canceled the order. Sounds like an attempted scam to me.

[suesjools]

I am sorry you've been scammed as well. I can honestly say I've yet to encounter a scammer myself, (and I've been selling online for a few years now). Maybe I'm just lucky, but IMHO most people are basically honest and I treat them as such until proven otherwise.

Best wishes for many sales to all,

[unclelamsgadgets]

I am sorry you've been scammed as well. I can honestly say I've yet to encounter a scammer myself, (and I've been selling online for a few years now). Maybe I'm just lucky, but IMHO most people are basically honest and I treat them as such until proven otherwise.

Best wishes for many sales to all,

I sell high priced new electronic devices. Those have the highest theft volume. After all, everyone wants an ipod for xmas.