China & Pottery - top level cat?

[papagran40]

Hi thanks for the email ...I think china / pottery and porcelain is all that is needed ....no need for modern or just as a sub group....but I could be well wrong ...thanks again ...papa.

[QCPOTS]

just to have my say, as its my CAT,

Glass, Pottery & Porcelain
Glass
Art Glass
Crystal/ Cut Glass
Date-Lined Glass
Glassware
Paperweights
Stained Glass
Other Glass

Date-Lined Ceramics
Pre-c.1800
c.1800- c.1890
Art Nouveau/ 1890s-1919
Art Deco/ 1920-1939
1940s/ 1950s
1960s/ 1970s

then most of the prominent makers,
Porcelain/ China
Adderley
Arcadian Crested China
Aynsley
Belleek
Bing & Grondahl
Border Fine Arts
Carlton Ware
Capodimonte
Chintzware
Coalport
Commemorative Ware
Continental
Crown Staffordshire
Doulton Burslem
Dresden
Fenton
Foley
Franklin Mint
Grafton/ Royal Grafton
Hammersley
Herend
Hummel/ Goebel
Irish
James Kent
Limoges
Lladro/ Nao
Lomonosov/ USSR
Meissen
Miniatures
Minton
Noritake/ Nipponware
Paragon
Parian
Royal Albert
Royal Copenhagen
Royal Crown Derby
Royal Doulton
Royal Dux
Royal Osborne
Royal Stafford
Royal Vale
Royal Winton/ Grimwades
Royal Worcester
Sevres
Shelley
Sitzendorf
Spode/ Copeland
Sutherland/ Royal Sutherland
Thomas
Tuscan
Villeroy & Boch
Wade
Wedgwood
Unmarked Pieces
Other Porcelain/ China


Pottery
Adams
Alfred Meakin
Arthur Wood
Art Pottery
Aviemore
Beswick
Blue & White Transfer Ware
Blue Mountain
Booths
Boots
Branksome
Bretby
Bridgewater
Briglin
British Home Stores (BHS)
Burleigh
Burlington
Cardew
Carlton Ware
Charlotte Rhead
Clarice Cliff
Clews
Cobridge
Commemorative Ware
Continental
Copeland
Cornishware/ T. G. Green
Cottage Ware
Creamware
Crown Devon
Crown Ducal
Crown Staffordshire
Delft
Denby/ Langley/ Lovatt
Devon/ Torquay Ware
Eastgate
Fosters
Gaudy Welsh
George Jones
Gouda
Grindley
Hancocks
H. J. Wood
Hornsea
J&G Meakin
Jersey
Johnson Brothers
Kernewek
Laura Ashley
Lord Nelson Ware
Majolica
Maling
Manor Ware
Masons
Melba Ware
Midwinter
Miniatures
Minton
Moorcroft
Myott
Oldcourt Ware
Oriental
Poole
Price Kensington
Quimper/ Faience
Rosenthal
Royal Cauldon
Royal Doulton
Royal Stafford
Royal Winton/ Grimwades
Royal Worcester
Sadler
Scottish Pottery
Shorter & Son
Spode
Staffordshire
Studio
Susie Cooper
SylvaC
Szeiler
Troika
Wade
Wedgwood
Welsh Pottery
Wemyss
Woods Ware
Unmarked Pieces
Other Pottery


thjat ashould get you started,

[madelaine]

Oh, Kedo, I've been talking about merging china and pottery FOREVER! It's a totally artificial divide (how many people really know the difference between china, porcelain, pottery, stoneware, earthenware?) and many manufacturers make more than one quality.

I agree about Kitchenalia too - it is pretty well distinct from Kitchenware. One is for using, the other for putting on the dresser.

QC, I don't like the datelined as well as the manufacturers - where do you put a vintage piece of Wedgwood? (and how do you define it?). Perhaps dateline subcats within manufacturers? And you have subdivided by china/pottery - Wedgwood make both, so do Doulton, Worcester and Denby, to name but a few.

[Gothicina]

QC,
I don't see why you want separate
the cats for China & Porcelain from Pottery
that just duplicates the existing problems & leads to more confusion.

Surely China Porcelain & Pottery should
all be together, with just sub cats for manufacturers.

Your way Minton Royal Doulton Royal Worcester for instance each have two categories, surely each one only needs one?

Then everything Minton (Doulton, Worcester ect) would be found in one place, be it pottery china OR porcelain. That makes it easier for seller's & buyers.

If I list a pin dish that belonged to my mum, I can read the backstamp say for instance Royal Worcester, I neither know or care if it is pottery or porcelain I just want to sell it & for buyers to find it easily.
If it's bought by a collector they will know from the photos ect what it is, but a casual buyer is more likely to buy because it's pretty & they know the name Royal Worcester.

I hadn't thought about Glass being included as well.

I agree with Kedo about Collectables/Kitchenalia

[ropegg]

I would prefer to have China & Porcelain pulled out of the Collectibles category and be made a top level category.

I have no objection to having Pottery included making it China & Porcelain & Pottery but IN A TOP LEVEL CATEGORY.

[kedo]

Oh, Kedo, I've been talking about merging china and pottery FOREVER! It's a totally artificial divide (how many people really know the difference between china, porcelain, pottery, stoneware, earthenware?) and many manufacturers make more than one quality.

Well it is odd and artificial as you say. All the items we're trying to classify are basically made of mud which is heated to make it hard (unless you include glass, which is basically sand and is heated to make it soft). The most obvious ways to split them up are either by form/function (ie. cup, plate, bowl, figure etc.) or by manufacturer. Chemical composition, as it is now, is just historical/convention. I think you're right, one category divided by manufacturer is by far the simplest solution.

I do think it would work well, at least I can't forsee any negative consequences. It would reduce the number of categories at the same time as it solved a lot of the problems (eg. as outlined by Gothicina above). Reduction in the number of categories would also probably mean better populated categories which can't be a bad thing. The other benefit would be that once implemented it wouldn't need to be changed again except for the addition of rarer makes perhaps. Does that make sense? I'm in danger of writing an essay here.

[ropegg]

My preference is for Glass to NOT be included.

[madelaine]

Glass is a difficult one. It is not a ceramic, of course (it's a supercooled liquid for those who care) but where should it go? It belongs in both collectables and home cats so another top level cat for glass? It would be smaller but it would still be larger than some that already exist

[gazza]

I've created a top level category and moved 3 subcats from Collectables into it.

Gazza

[madelaine]

thanks Gazza, that's a good start.. now can we merge China & Porcelain and Pottery, pretty please?

And the top level category is giving "page no longer exists"