Deciding the Winner of the YDC Auctions

[emmily121]

Sorry, I didn't mean for you to answer your own question that was asked in post #1.

I would like to see you come up with your own ideas of what should happen to bring YDC into the 21st Century, if you have any of course.

Should wording be mandatory? If the wording was mandatory and all auctions started at £1 or international equivalent would they be shown on GS if a BuyNow was also shown? By doing this would it add to the auction total by getting a non-member buy because what they want has been listed?



YDC stands for Your Donation Counts - it doesn't stand for you can't BuyNow.

Should postage costs be the responsibility of the seller or should 'postage will be deducted from payment received' in the listing.

I think that's personal choice, though no one should feel obliged to offer free postage.

I think I'll go now before I get kicked off eBid for speaking my mind!

Oh, please do speak your mind Gill, you do sometimes come up with some good suggestions.

[Gill]

I'll keep quiet from now on em and just watch this post as I've probably said too much already that isn't agreed with.

Hopefully hurry will take it as 'trying to assist' her.

[raindropsies]

I think it's best if I withhold from adding anymore at this time to this thread as I have not included the whole phrase (which I have just realised) even though I would like the 2 auctions to count towards the competition aspect of YDC.

However, rules are rules.

[raindropsies]

Just found this thread from 2010 from the founder of YDC
http://www.ebid.net/forums/showthrea...ts-and-history

[suesjools]

Just found this thread from 2010 from the founder of YDC
http://www.ebid.net/forums/showthrea...ts-and-history

Thanks for the link, what Yorkie wrote makes a lot of sense to me, guess that means I'm for keeping things the way they are, and here I thought I was progressive, oh well.

Considering what Sucadot said, maybe it would be a good idea to add an 'opt out' phrase to listings if the seller isn't interested in the competition part, (to make it easier to calculate the winner of the competition), something like 'this listing is not an entry into the YDC XXX competition, however all monies raised will go to x charity.' Just a thought...

Best wishes for many sales to all,

[Maelbrigda]

I regularly forget to add the "this item..." bit and there was a question of whether i shoild win or not when the bread won. I also feel an opt out line would be better than the opt in.
A BIN would be a good addition for opt outs and might bring more buyers in from google if they had all the info. I recently have felt that some items go for way below their value (and sometimes cost). I would opt out and use a BIN on these items.

[CarnoustieCats]

Items listed at £1 are not eligible for the competition.... this was always my opt-out clause


PS Knew I should have read all the posts before jumping in
... sorree sucadot ... great minds and all that!!!!

[emmily121]

I regularly forget to add the "this item..." bit and there was a question of whether i shoild win or not when the bread won. I also feel an opt out line would be better than the opt in.
A BIN would be a good addition for opt outs and might bring more buyers in from google if they had all the info. I recently have felt that some items go for way below their value (and sometimes cost). I would opt out and use a BIN on these items.

As far as I'm aware, there was a recent (brief) discussion on YDC and Buy Now, you can choose to use BN in YDC though it would not be a competition entry.

With Easter about a week after the end of this month's YDC the chocolate listings are getting most of the bids.

[hurryb4itsgone]

For anyone that does not feel comfortable sharing their views in an open forum, please feel free to send me a PM (private message) with your thoughts.

thanks

[hurryb4itsgone]

Sorry for such a long post. Wanted to address each person's contribution to this discussion.

If memory serves me correct, this has come up before, and the outcome seemed to be that as long as the title had YDC (number) and description was obvious that it was for the YDC then that auction would be OK to win. I seem to recall that the wording did not have to be word perfect to be within the spirit of YDC

Yes, it seems this has come up more than once in the short time I have been participating in YDC. It is one of the reasons why I brought it up. My question is really not about "perfect wording", it involves some sort of reference in the listing to being an entry in the competition. Looking at the current auctions, there are quite a few that have no reference to being an entry in any sort of competition.

I agree with you. Maybe amending it to something like Raindropsies said, making YDC and the number mandatory in the title and mention of the charity in the description would be a good idea rather than requiring specific wording.

Funny thing, I never noticed that about the wording in the rules; I guess I don't read as well as I thought I did.

Best wishes for many sales to all,

I think there are many people that have not read the rules before putting up a YDC listing. To some extent, it is just human nature. We think we know what is what, so we move forward on the information we have. This would be another one of the reasons why I bring up this issue.

From my perspective, YDC is about raising money and having fun. The more rules there are for people to follow the less likely they will follow them and the less fun we will have.

Sorry, I didn't mean for you to answer your own question that was asked in post #1.

I would like to see you come up with your own ideas of what should happen to bring YDC into the 21st Century, if you have any of course.

Should wording be mandatory? If the wording was mandatory and all auctions started at £1 or international equivalent would they be shown on GS if a BuyNow was also shown? By doing this would it add to the auction total by getting a non-member buy because what they want has been listed?

YDC stands for Your Donation Counts - it doesn't stand for you can't BuyNow.

Should postage costs be the responsibility of the seller or should 'postage will be deducted from payment received' in the listing.

I think I'll go now before I get kicked off eBid for speaking my mind!

There are probably a number of other things people could suggest as changes to YDC in addition to the ones you bring up in your post. I believe the saying is, "Rome was not built in a day." In my opinion, each of those proposals would require thought, review, discussion and approval by the YDC participants. I am open to putting those suggestions forward to the group at a future date.

At this time, my questions are focused on the phrase "This auction is an entry in the YDC nn charity competition" and whether we still need/want it as part of the rules.

The reason for having that line in the description was (again if memory serves me correct) was to stop people listing in YDC and not passing the money on, however, I have never known it to be an issue since I joined eBid and the YDC auctions and that is over 7 (maybe 8) years ago.

TBH I would think that Shezz would be able to give you the most info as to why that line was supposed to be within the auctions, I only organised them for a short while and the only change that happened during my organisation was it being changed to 4 days starting on 24th as people felt that 7 days was too long and with some months there would only be a break of 10 days between 1 ending and 1 starting as they always used to start on the last (forget what day) of the month

From what I could find, "All money raised by this auction will go to: charity name" has been part of the rules for quite sometime. And it does make sense to let buyers know where their money will go.

"This auction is an entry in the YDC nn charity competition" is an addition after Shezz's time.

In my short time with YDC I've seen that rule being flexible when a long-standing regular had a senior moment and forgot to add the info about the competition, which is fine. Some of the YDCers are of an age when senior moments are more common, including myself there

Not everyone has the time or for other reasons wants nominate a charity and host the next YDC so I think we do need the wording for the competition, or it would be chaos for you Hurry, trying to find out who wins, as the seller who raised the most may be one of those who doesn't want to nominate and host, the second and third highest may not either.

However, I'm not sure it needs to be those exact words (I have copied and posted into my listings, but that's just me) providing the word competition is in the description.

It might be an idea to remind everyone who wants to be part of the competition to include the info in their listings in the monthly YDC announcement thread.

The information that is to be included in the YDC listings is included in every YDC announcement thread. And has been since long before me. The fact that not everyone reads it or follows the directions is one of the reasons I am bringing this issue forward.

I think it would easier to say -

'if you don't want your listing to be an entry in the competition element start it at £1'.

This makes sense ... or any amount over 99p (or equivalent). I think some people are already doing it.

I'll keep quiet from now on em and just watch this post as I've probably said too much already that isn't agreed with.

Hopefully hurry will take it as 'trying to assist' her.

It is the way I choose to take all suggestions. Even though I know, in some cases, that is not the spirit in which they are given.

I think it's best if I withhold from adding anymore at this time to this thread as I have not included the whole phrase (which I have just realised) even though I would like the 2 auctions to count towards the competition aspect of YDC.

However, rules are rules.

Just found this thread from 2010 from the founder of YDC
http://www.ebid.net/forums/showthrea...ts-and-history

Appreciate your attitude.

Thank you for the link. I have read that thread more than once. Wish Frank would stop by now and give his thoughts on this subject that has arisen after his time.

Thanks for the link, what Yorkie wrote makes a lot of sense to me, guess that means I'm for keeping things the way they are, and here I thought I was progressive, oh well.

Considering what Sucadot said, maybe it would be a good idea to add an 'opt out' phrase to listings if the seller isn't interested in the competition part, (to make it easier to calculate the winner of the competition), something like 'this listing is not an entry into the YDC XXX competition, however all monies raised will go to x charity.' Just a thought...

Best wishes for many sales to all,

If we choose to go with opt out rather an opt in, it would be great if it was something that was in the title of the auction.

I regularly forget to add the "this item..." bit and there was a question of whether i shoild win or not when the bread won. I also feel an opt out line would be better than the opt in.
A BIN would be a good addition for opt outs and might bring more buyers in from google if they had all the info. I recently have felt that some items go for way below their value (and sometimes cost). I would opt out and use a BIN on these items.

This is already the way the rules read.

Items listed at £1 are not eligible for the competition.... this was always my opt-out clause


PS Knew I should have read all the posts before jumping in
... sorree sucadot ... great minds and all that!!!!

I do appreciate that you and sucadot have brought this up. I have added a note to myself to check the auction start price before I announce any winners.

As far as I'm aware, there was a recent (brief) discussion on YDC and Buy Now, you can choose to use BN in YDC though it would not be a competition entry.

With Easter about a week after the end of this month's YDC the chocolate listings are getting most of the bids.

Yes, that is correct and also how I read the rules.

Any other thoughts?