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    Quote Originally Posted by PetBazaar View Post
    Deary me...

    Having just come through two years of referendum debate, and now being in the middle of Scottish Politics general election shenanigans, the idea that our own "quality press" isn't a propaganda machine amuses me hugely.

    Being aware that this is a rather sweeping statement, I'll grant honourable, and occasional, exceptions (based purely on recent experience) to: The Guardian (mainly George Monbiot), The Independent, and The Sunday Herald

    i have to agree but not only propaganda , its the important bits they completely mis out,

    the link i gave was firstly posted not only because of Cecilia Malmstrom’s visit but there was a demonstration yesterday something the british press never announce till after the event and so far with regards to TTIP have never done so,

    i us RT because it gives us news that does not get into print or is mentioned only in passing , it is very good at reporting the other side of the coin without being biased as the uk propaganda machine is
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    Sid had a valid point to make about British MPs being kept in the dark over TTIP, even more so when you consider that David Cameron would take the UK out of the EU over the principle of pooling sovereignty with Brussels that was confirmed in the 1975 referendum yet would allow the TTIP trade courts to go ahead with barely a murmur. These trade courts would represent a loss not only of national sovereignty but also of EU sovereignty. David Cameron as the UK Government’s representative on the EU Council of Ministers should be making this all explicitly clear not only to UK MPs in the Westminster Parliament but should be explaining this fully to the UK electorate. He has failed to do so and thereby leaves himself open to accusations of double standards. How can he present himself with credibility to the UK public as being critical of the Brussels decision making process on the one hand yet allow these trade courts to go ahead on the other?

    A bit patronising to give Sid a suggested reading list.

    As for ‘…..the Russian propaganda machine, a relic of failure.’

    What?

    If you want to see real propaganda in action, just go to the BBC. There’s a real relic of failure that the law requires us to support through the licence fee if we wish to avoid having a criminal record.

    Everytime the BBC refers to the war in the two former eastern Ukrainian provinces of Lugansk and Donetz, it is always with the propaganda tag of ‘pro-Russian rebels’. The BBC never refers to the fact that the majority of the population in the two provinces voted to separate themselves from the rest of Ukraine following the western sponsored coup d’etat and that they are seeking their own self-determination.

    Everytime the BBC refers to Crimea, it is always with the propaganda tag that Russia annexed Crimea and never with reference to the fact that the majority of the population voted to ask to join the Russian Federation.

    And as for suggesting that the Guardian is a quality media channel, that is a matter of opinion. Just to give one example of poor quality unbalanced coverage there, the current article about refinancing Greece’s loans fails to mention (as most media channels fail to mention) that Germany is making a substantive profit out of the money that it borrowed on the international money markets to lend to Greece by charging Greece a much higher rate of interest than it is paying itself for the money. And who but an idiot would think that if Greece defaulted on its debts and left the Euro that in 12 months everything would be fine and that Greece would be booming again? If you default on your debts, people will not lend to you again. Greece would not be able to borrow on the international money markets again and it would be in deep trouble 12 months out from now.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...y-out-eurozone

    RT / Russia Today has a niche role in raising issues which mainstream western media ignore. You can take it at face value or discount the Russian perspective, whichever you choose, but for people who like to make up their own minds it does at least prompt them to ask the right questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westlondoncarparts View Post
    Sid had a valid point to make about British MPs being kept in the dark over TTIP, even more so when you consider that David Cameron would take the UK out of the EU over the principle of pooling sovereignty with Brussels that was confirmed in the 1975 referendum yet would allow the TTIP trade courts to go ahead with barely a murmur. These trade courts would represent a loss not only of national sovereignty but also of EU sovereignty. David Cameron as the UK Government’s representative on the EU Council of Ministers should be making this all explicitly clear not only to UK MPs in the Westminster Parliament but should be explaining this fully to the UK electorate. He has failed to do so and thereby leaves himself open to accusations of double standards. How can he present himself with credibility to the UK public as being critical of the Brussels decision making process on the one hand yet allow these trade courts to go ahead on the other?

    A bit patronising to give Sid a suggested reading list.

    As for ‘…..the Russian propaganda machine, a relic of failure.’

    What?

    If you want to see real propaganda in action, just go to the BBC. There’s a real relic of failure that the law requires us to support through the licence fee if we wish to avoid having a criminal record.

    Everytime the BBC refers to the war in the two former eastern Ukrainian provinces of Lugansk and Donetz, it is always with the propaganda tag of ‘pro-Russian rebels’. The BBC never refers to the fact that the majority of the population in the two provinces voted to separate themselves from the rest of Ukraine following the western sponsored coup d’etat and that they are seeking their own self-determination.

    Everytime the BBC refers to Crimea, it is always with the propaganda tag that Russia annexed Crimea and never with reference to the fact that the majority of the population voted to ask to join the Russian Federation.

    And as for suggesting that the Guardian is a quality media channel, that is a matter of opinion. Just to give one example of poor quality unbalanced coverage there, the current article about refinancing Greece’s loans fails to mention (as most media channels fail to mention) that Germany is making a substantive profit out of the money that it borrowed on the international money markets to lend to Greece by charging Greece a much higher rate of interest than it is paying itself for the money. And who but an idiot would think that if Greece defaulted on its debts and left the Euro that in 12 months everything would be fine and that Greece would be booming again? If you default on your debts, people will not lend to you again. Greece would not be able to borrow on the international money markets again and it would be in deep trouble 12 months out from now.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...y-out-eurozone

    RT / Russia Today has a niche role in raising issues which mainstream western media ignore. You can take it at face value or discount the Russian perspective, whichever you choose, but for people who like to make up their own minds it does at least prompt them to ask the right questions.

    we are in agreement today Robert and thank you.
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    https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkin...from-telegraph

    An interesting article that may shed some light on the publishing decisions of our "quality press".

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetBazaar View Post
    https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkin...from-telegraph

    An interesting article that may shed some light on the publishing decisions of our "quality press".
    The coverage of HSBC in Britain's Daily Telegraph is a fraud on its readers. If major newspapers allow corporations to influence their content for fear of losing advertising revenue, democracy itself is in peril.Absolutely Unbelievable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyreddevil View Post
    The coverage of HSBC in Britain's Daily Telegraph is a fraud on its readers. If major newspapers allow corporations to influence their content for fear of losing advertising revenue, democracy itself is in peril.Absolutely Unbelievable!
    whats unbelievable is that people believe what they are told via the press ,bbc all of them, try listening to the bbc radio 4 news at 5am and then listen to the same news ( item) on the same channel for the rest of the day, by 1pm if its say a story about the ukraine conflict for instance the chances are its been watered down or parts edited out,

    take any story about any group that has a lobbing ability , if they dont like the tone ,facts of a report even though that excludes the truth they will get it altered or removed, its very subtle most of the time, but it happens most of the time too,

    have you not noticed the news is not just news its often accompanied by a justification for the said news thats called mild brainwashing so you agree to the justification without making your own conclusions on the news itself,

    take the ukraine crises as it is today look at the bbc web site take and the rt take both the same bit of news yet one is hell bent on playing the blame game, one has to wonder whats the agenda your being played along with! when you get good at spotting this type of propaganda you can often work out the next move or at least know something else is going to happen ! its called justification before the event your being prepared!!!

    there is nothing unbelievable or believable in todays news broadcasting till you take as many routes as you can to verify what they would have you believe .


    quote of the day award goes to westlondoncarparts.

    "If you want to see real propaganda in action, just go to the BBC. There’s a real relic of failure that the law requires us to support through the licence fee if we wish to avoid having a criminal record."
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    Quote Originally Posted by PetBazaar View Post
    https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkin...from-telegraph

    An interesting article that may shed some light on the publishing decisions of our "quality press".
    the link not working for me ,
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidthelamp View Post
    the link not working for me ,
    Definitely working, albeit a little slow. Try just www.opendemocracy.net home page, the story is on the front page and also on "most popular" section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetBazaar View Post
    Definitely working, albeit a little slow. Try just www.opendemocracy.net home page, the story is on the front page and also on "most popular" section.
    this page link worked but still i cant open the article , maybe my connection is slow will try later, thanks
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    Default Re: Political Thread

    Sorry to pick on the Telegraph tonight, but here's a quote from the diaries of Alan Cochrane, their Scotland Editor (not just a lowly hack this time), on being asked by Alistair Darling to spike an unhelpful column during the referendum campaign...

    "Jenny said I should do what Darling asks. He’s in charge after all. It’s not really good journalism but what the hell does journalism matter? This is much more important."

    Those few sentences probably sum up a lot that's wrong with the UK media.

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