pure evil

[moonwitch]

There were a number of single parent families after the last war who sadly nevr knew their fathers, but the kids then didn't turn out like these two.

My parents had 4 kids and although we got to see our dad...he was regularly away from home for lengthy spells in the navy (he was away for 2 and a half years once and 15 months when I was a youngster).

My mum and lots of forces wives brought their kids up with an absent dad....none of my mum's kids turned out like those to.

[shezz]

There were a number of single parent families after the last war who sadly nevr knew their fathers, but the kids then didn't turn out like these two.

That was then, then you could leave doors open, play in the streets, everyone knew each other and helped each other out ect ect


these days things have changed big time, and kids seem to have more rights and know it,

[shezz]

My parents had 4 kids and although we got to see our dad...he was regularly away from home for lengthy spells in the navy (he was away for 2 and a half years once and 15 months when I was a youngster).

My mum and lots of forces wives brought their kids up with an absent dad....none of my mum's kids turned out like those to.

As said before

them days were different, you was able to take control of the kids, these days things have changed, and kids know there rights and will use them, and yes i do think that in same NOT ALL cases when you are a one parent family its the kids that take over, I've seen the way some of the kids talk to the parents, i've heard some of the way the parents scream at the kids


them days are almost gone moonie and if you aint seen it, then open your eyes to the real world

[moonwitch]

That was then, then you could leave doors open, play in the streets, everyone knew each other and helped each other out ect ect


these days things have changed big time, and kids seem to have more rights and know it,

My children were small in the 80's..

Effective parenting transcends time and neighbourhood set ups.

I had no-one to help with my children. Neither would have done what those kids did.

I put it down to personal responsibility...that is what is missing in my view. People are very quick to blame anything but themselves when their kids go off the rails.

[moonwitch]

As said before

them days were different, you was able to take control of the kids, these days things have changed, and kids know there rights and will use them, and yes i do think that in same NOT ALL cases when you are a one parent family its the kids that take over, I've seen the way some of the kids talk to the parents, i've heard some of the way the parents scream at the kids


them days are almost gone moonie and if you aint seen it, then open your eyes to the real world

I live in the real world....I live on a run down estate that houses lots of drug addicts and dealers.

Most people I know round here have great kids...it's the adults round here that cause the problems.

I made sure that my neighbours helped me out by making the effort to get out and meet up with them.

Like I said....personal responsiblity

[shezz]

I live in the real world....I live on a run down estate that houses lots of drug addicts and dealers.

Most people I know round here have great kids...it's the adults round here that cause the problems.

I made sure that my neighbours helped me out by making the effort to get out and meet up with them.

Like I said....personal responsiblity

People only see what they want to see, and kids will show there good or bad side to who they want, kids that i thought were great, were to me because thats the side they showed me, but they also had a horrible side to them, my neighbour went through hell at one stage with kids, so much so she was scared to go out


but these same kids were great with me,


ended up that if they congregated outside her house she would knock on the wall and i would just walk around there,

The kids would just wander off and she would be alright

I also know that there was a suff my kids done that i never knew about (not owt really bad) but they only told me about it when they grew older


so as for people thinking kids are great, they also have a side that you may not off see

[moonwitch]

Maybe I see the good in kids because I never forget that I was a kid once.

I chat with the kids round here and respect them.

I have never had cause to complain about any of them but I have heard them rowing with their parents.

That's not them showing their 'other' side. That's them being themselves...just like they are with me.

[Pink_Panther]

There will always be individuals in any society whose actions are so far from the normal expected behaviour that we are shocked by them. That does not mean that everyone else also acts in the same manner. In reality, it is the fact that we are shocked by such actions which proves that the rest of society is actually doing quite well and has a healthy disgust of such atrocities. Should we come to the point where such reports of violence and torture no longer move us and seem perfectly normal, then it will be true that society has indeed descended into hell.

I agree with that totally.
The point is though is where & why the conditions came from to 'Spawn' as some OP said this dysfunctional family?

While we are all quick to condemn such crimes. But how many of us want to look beyond? How much does unemployment, drug and alcohol abuse play in this scenario?

What about education, opportunity etc. Take that away and you have 'Unemployment,drug and alcohol abuse' which can lead to a total disintegration of social values.

I don't think people 'Choose' to be disadvantaged. It happens by luck circumstance & 'Government Policy'.

What I'm saying is that 'This case' highlights' the effect that deprivation and degregation has on our society.

What these boys did was disgusting & evil . . . People will say that they acted like animals (fair enough) When your deprived, degraded, sociopathic etc etc. What chance do you have.

Evil is not spontaneous. It is created!

[Roundsound]

as in the parents
of those 7
said parents seperated




try readin

Just becouse they are seperated does not mean that either will not father or mother other children in the future.

Try reading

[moonwitch]

Just because they are separated does not mean that either will not father or mother other children in the future.

Try reading

I read that to mean exactly what you wrote..that 7 children might not be the final number from the same parents with other partners.

Patriot seems to have read it totally differently