pure evil

[damian_steele]

Just becouse they are seperated does not mean that either will not father or mother other children in the future.

Try reading

Whether either of them do or do not have more kids, those who both read and understood my original comment will already be aware that I was referring to those other five kids who already exist and were in the same family group of the two violent ones. If two of the seven have already been so damaged to the point that they commit such crimes, what hope is there that the other five will not also be damaged and potentially just as bad?

[moonwitch]

Whether either of them do or do not have more kids, those who both read and understood my original comment will already be aware that I was referring to those other five kids who already exist and were in the same family group of the two violent ones. If two of the seven have already been so damaged to the point that they commit such crimes, what hope is there that the other five will not also be damaged and potentially just as bad?

My past experience of working with families with very disturbed youngsters is that these families tend to have one or two kids with serious issues. The other children from the same family turn out OK.

It's the old nature/nurture puzzle

[earthangel]

I think our society has a lot to do with behaviour such as in this case. Ultimately, we all have freedom of choice in how we act, whether we do good or ill. But there are powerful forces working to influence individuals at every stage of life. Chemicals are pumped into us from the day we are brought into the world, physical and pyschological pressures are brought to bear constantly. All of which can erode the individual's ability to think independently.
While there may be souls predisposed to doing bad, many that are not so disposed can be turned. The more immersed we are in this material world, the more pressure we have to resist.

[PATRIOT73]

Whether either of them do or do not have more kids, those who both read and understood my original comment will already be aware that I was referring to those other five kids who already exist and were in the same family group of the two violent ones. If two of the seven have already been so damaged to the point that they commit such crimes, what hope is there that the other five will not also be damaged and potentially just as bad?

thats how i read n was referin to that point
that couple WILL NOT ave anymore kids unless they get bacc ttogether

jive try readin ursen or dont u grasp plain english

[Roundsound]

Why do they have to get back together ?
They may find new partners, Maybe even worse partners.

I do not see how you can say "THEY WILL NOT"

Please explain.

[shezz]

Why do they have to get back together ?
They may find new partners, Maybe even worse partners.

I do not see how you can say "THEY WILL NOT"

Please explain.

simplessssssssss this couple have 7 kids between them. and as Jay says unless they get back together they WILL NOT have anymore children as a couple, it has stoped at 7

Jay is not on about them going off to have other kids with other people which will more then like happen

his just saying as a couple these 2 will not be having anymore

[Teddyrose54]

What kind of message does it give, when they only get 5 years?

Why find any excuse for this behaviour?

There isn't any.

Why is no one talking about the victims~ don't they count?

Give the police a bit more power to handle youngsters, or at least listen to them, when they make suggestions.

It's the police who are in the front line here.

[Roundsound]

Ahhh As a couple...

i see now.

[earthangel]

What kind of message does it give, when they only get 5 years?

Why find any excuse for this behaviour?

There isn't any.

Why is no one talking about the victims~ don't they count?

Give the police a bit more power to handle youngsters, or at least listen to them, when they make suggestions.

It's the police who are in the front line here.

I don't think anyone was offering excuses for the behaviour. I know I wasn't. But I question the reference to "pure evil", as if suggesting that the perpetrators are not human, untouched by human/social influences.
We are all affected by our environment to differing degrees. While it is important to punish those who do wrong, I feel it would be inexcusable to condemn them as being "evil", as if that earns them no human consideration at all. What is evil? Is it a force unto itself or something that manifests as a result of various pressures and influences? If the latter, perhaps we should look at removing those influences, rather than focussing solely on those touched by them. Which means, I think, changing our society, our system. But that's another thread, isn't it?