1/72 20mm WWII Refugees Pulling Hand Cart (2) NC04

Please can you clarify which scale these are? 1/72 scale means a 1-inch high figure represents a 72-inch (six foot tall) person - that is 25mm scale. 20mm means the six foot person is scaled at 20mm tall in the model. For figures, the two scales are not compatible on the wargames or the rail modelling table.

Thank you for your question, have whipped out my verniers, the figures in question measure 21mm. Most suppliers are "fuzzy" when it comes to scale of their figures. Plastics companies like Revell, Esci & Italeri say their figures are 1/72 which are smaller than the 25mm lead manufacturers. These days most gaming suppliers group 20mm and 1/72 in the same size range but the real size varies due to how the measurements are taken, like head to foot and foot to eye. Most rail is 1/87(HO) & 1/76(OO) eg. SHQ sell 20mm figures while their Vehicles are 1/76. If I could ask what figures/brand you are trying to match so I can give you a more accurate answer. Also quite willing to continue this conversation via email so I can make sure that what you're after I can supply or suggest possible alternatives. Cheers and chat soon, JES

OK, so they are not 1/72 (25mm) - - - more supposed 25mm figures nowadays are actually 28 or 30mm anyway. At 21mm, these are designed for HO rail model scale - they are too big for 20mm wargaming (1/96), too small for 25mm gaming (1/72). Just a tip, but if you rewrite your listing titles and description to be more accurate in the scale statements, you'll get a lot more interest in them.

Sorry but 1/72 is closer to 20mm than 25mm. I would love to send you an email showing you the differences in scales. If you could please advise which figures you are using as an example to your statements would be greatly appreciated. would also ask that you read the previous reply regarding railway scales. Would love to send you pictures of what I am trying to explain. eg. different brands of figures with a vernier caliper to show measurements.

35 years as a wargamer and 25 years in the trade as a designer and manufacturer, plus the simple irrefutable logic of maths - don't need any other explanations. Besides - if you want the definitive definition of what comprises 1/72 scale - go to the originator's website (Airfix) - I'll take their word for it above anyone else's.

There has been some confusion amongst manufacturers in the past in terms of railway and scale model scales. Railway scales are identified by alpha/numeric codes whereas all other modeling scales are simply identified by the scale concerned. HO in Australia, Europe, Japan, and the United States is 1:87 and 1:76 in the UK. The UK had its own scale of OO, which is 1:76. Hence the term HO/OO. None of these scales are 1:72, and neither are they compatible with it, as a comparison between an Airfix and Revell GMBH Leopard I tank kits will demonstrate. Even figures in these scales show distinct size differences. Many manufacturers in the past, particularly in the UK, produced items to 1:76 and labeled the packaging as being 1:72, because the scales were historically considered to be close. An example is Airfix's and Matchbox's series of vehicle kits to 1:76, which were eventually re-issued with labeling indicating a scale of 1:72. 1:76 still exists, but it is now considered to a wargaming scale. Many scale model manufacturers now recognize the difference and there has been a marked change over the last 10 years, with vehicle and figure producers consolidating to 1:72. Currently a large number of manufacturers produce figures in this scale such as HaT, Italeri and Zvezda

1/76 is 24mm wargaming equivalent scale. 1/72 is 25.4mm true equivalent scale - suggest you study the increments carefully in each scale and their origins - a good place to start is this detailed analysis page - ... - which covers all the scales and cross-hobby overlaps (for the record it is an update to the original product guide by the same author that is now plagiarised and polluted by eBay AU staff and touted out as being the gospel on the subject. The original version is still available on their UK site and displays the details of the original author - it was once in the top 50 of most read product guides on eBay worldwide. The new website version is linked to from most major figure manufacturers' websites, revealing the authoritative nature of the article.

Thank you for the link which made for very interesting reading. However, I came to the conclusion during my 20+ years of historical gaming experience that most WW2 suppliers have such a large variation in height & thickness of figures that it is impossible to take a written scale as gospel. This is why you initially wrote your question asking about the height of the mentioned item. When it comes to WW2 (16mm – 25mm) the range of items provided by many manufacturers are small and the confusion sets in, 1:100 (18mm) TT-scale, 1:96 (19mm), 1:93 (20mm), 1:87 (21mm) HO-scale, 1:77 (24mm) OO-scale, 1:72 (25mm) & 25mm. I have heard many “experienced” gamers discussing / arguing about the sizes of different manufacturers’ figures either fitting or not fitting in with their current armies (collections). Most collectors stick to certain companies. This is also why many old and new gamers have turned to Flames of War (15mm). FOW (Battlefront) has the product range which many of the “larger scale” companies do not have. Gaming is supposed to be an enjoyable hobby. The best example I can give is GW (Games Workshop); I have never heard and doubt I ever will hear any comments regarding scale when it comes GW, even when people make scenery to suit their armies*. Keegan Miniatures is supporting a young company with many nice items not produced by similar companies. These may or may not fit in with all collections. *Most arguments are concerning their rules and/or figures attributes, lol PS : You declined to include 1/76 with the 1/77 and the different ratios when getting into 25mm-28mm but understand that this would add even more confusion when it comes to the different scales of gaming. I would like to discuss this further but I have to paint up 3 different scales of figures for a customer because one company does not produce everything he wants to complete his historical army.