To the violent "Muslims"......

[chanel5]

No, unfortunately. If they were, there would be a far higher chance that they would understand english to a level which would make it safe for them to work in the medical field.

At my local hospital I have seen a number of doctors. Perhaps it is merely bad luck that the only two foreigners I saw - on different occasions - could barely understand english and that one of them prescribed medication for me which, had I not checked with my GP first, would have reacted with my other existing medication and killed me.

In my case my desire for white, UK born and bred doctors has nothing to do with racism. I just want to be sure that the person I am trusting with my life actually understands english, understands the situation and has gone through all the training and safety checking which happens in this country's medical system.

IMO there are far too many foreign doctors who barely grasp the language and whose medical qualifications are suspect to say the least.

I totally disagree with you, my dad had gastric cancer, his specialist was white uk born, what he wanted to do with my dad would have killed him within weeks, I said no to his operation, my dad survived another 2 months longer, now I know I'm not an expert in the medical field, but via my own cancer treatment I learnt alot, and by the way I went to the marie curie centre in Paris for my treatment, it cost a hell lot of money but it was worth it, especially when I look at the cancer treatment my sister got from this country (unprofessional even though she has the same specialist as me over here) it doesnt matter whether you are white or not, its what money is spent in our hospitals thats important, they need more staff, money, and equipments but most of all they need dedicated doctors, who will take the time to really check someone's medical file correctly, my has in big red capital important notes about no blood pressure, no injections, no needles anywhere on my left arm, but guess what no one ever takes any notice, I constantly remind them.

[damian_steele]

you do not have to be white to be uk born and educated

so your desire for white is racist

Where did I state that a person did?

I said that if the doctor is white there is a far higher chance that they will understand the language and have the appropriate training. At no point did I state that non-whites do not also have a chance of meeting these criteria, merely than whites have a greater chance IMO based on my experience so far. Since when does empirical observation make me a racist?

[damian_steele]

I totally disagree with you

Don't be so ridiculous.

You cannot "totally disagree with me" because you were not witness to my specific situation. I was there so I know what happened.

If you mean that you disagree with the premise that white, UK born and bred doctors have a far higher chance that they would understand english to a level which would make it safe for them to work in the medical field, then you are wrong again. Despite the fact that there are some white UK doctors who are appaling at their jobs, it is far more often the case that we hear about instances of foreign born doctors making errors.

Your experience of a single doctor whose suggested treatment you disagreed with does not change my experience or observations.

So, you don't "totally disagree" with me, you've merely had a difference experience.

[minkyrra]

No, unfortunately. If they were, there would be a far higher chance that they would understand english to a level which would make it safe for them to work in the medical field.

At my local hospital I have seen a number of doctors. Perhaps it is merely bad luck that the only two foreigners I saw - on different occasions - could barely understand english and that one of them prescribed medication for me which, had I not checked with my GP first, would have reacted with my other existing medication and killed me.

In my case my desire for white, UK born and bred doctors has nothing to do with racism. I just want to be sure that the person I am trusting with my life actually understands english, understands the situation and has gone through all the training and safety checking which happens in this country's medical system.

IMO there are far too many foreign doctors who barely grasp the language and whose medical qualifications are suspect to say the least.

so i have misunderstood what you are saying there?

[damian_steele]

so i have misunderstood what you are saying there?

Quite obviously, yes.

You are interpreting that single line in isolation instead of balancing it with what had already been explained earlier in the post.

Does this show your desire to find something racist because of your own background rather than a true interpretation of what has actually been written?

[minkyrra]

Originally Posted by damian_steele
No, unfortunately. If they were, there would be a far higher chance that they would understand english to a level which would make it safe for them to work in the medical field.

At my local hospital I have seen a number of doctors. Perhaps it is merely bad luck that the only two foreigners I saw - on different occasions - could barely understand english and that one of them prescribed medication for me which, had I not checked with my GP first, would have reacted with my other existing medication and killed me.

In my case my desire for white, UK born and bred doctors has nothing to do with racism. I just want to be sure that the person I am trusting with my life actually understands english, understands the situation and has gone through all the training and safety checking which happens in this country's medical system.

IMO there are far too many foreign doctors who barely grasp the language and whose medical qualifications are suspect to say the least.

Quite obviously, yes.

You are interpreting that single line in isolation instead of balancing it with what had already been explained earlier in the post.

Does this show your desire to find something racist because of your own background rather than a true interpretation of what has actually been written?

damian, i havent read one line in isolation at all


all i have tried to point out is that to be born and bred in the uk, you do not have to be white.


to be able to understand and be understood when using the english language, you do not have to be white.




i am shocked that you wish to now take this to a personal level, with comments or questions about my 'background' as you put it


my comments have nothing to do with my own background


i am white, my parents are both white, my grandparents were all white.


i did not comment about your wish for your doctor to be born and bred in the uk - as they may well indeed have a better command of of the english language,

my comments were about you wanting them to be white.


white is the issue here


not the country of my fathers birth

[rainbowcraft]

Is this today's argument thread?



Afternoon all

[minkyrra]

i hope not

*takes rainbows popcorn away and chases her off*

[chanel5]

Don't be so ridiculous.

You cannot "totally disagree with me" because you were not witness to my specific situation. I was there so I know what happened.

If you mean that you disagree with the premise that white, UK born and bred doctors have a far higher chance that they would understand english to a level which would make it safe for them to work in the medical field, then you are wrong again. Despite the fact that there are some white UK doctors who are appaling at their jobs, it is far more often the case that we hear about instances of foreign born doctors making errors.

Your experience of a single doctor whose suggested treatment you disagreed with does not change my experience or observations.

So, you don't "totally disagree" with me, you've merely had a difference experience.

White, black, brown whatever, my point is it doesnt matter what colour or creed you are, doctors are doctors, whether being english or foreign, medical terms are very similar, if a doctor chooses not to prescribe the proper treatment, then condemn him, but not all the others, now I find it strange for a hospital to employ a foriegn doctor who has little knowlegde of the english language?

[rainbowcraft]

I just want people who can speak and understand good English. Too many times I've had to spell out exactly what I want (in shops, hospitals etc) because the other person didn't have any grasp of the English Language.

Even worse is when you see a doctor in the hospital, and you can't understand a word THEY are saying, due to broken English and thick accent. How are you supposed to follow instructions if you can't interpret their speech?

It makes it all the more difficult when whole communities are choosing to live in the same area together without having to learn any English. You go through parts of Tooting and you'll be hard pushed to find an English speaker. Don't people (wanting to live in a country of choice/accepted in a country as a genuine immigrant) WANT to learn the language?